Drew: Where's my boy?
Drew: How you doing, man?
Drew: Good buddy, you okay?
Drew: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Ugh.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Alright.
Drew: So we weren't able to record last week, which is which is fine.
Paul: No, I I have a s I have a story about that.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Alright, let's go.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So
Paul: My wife, my wife, Jesus Christ.
Paul: I'm gonna cut that cut that, cut that, cut that.
Paul: Uh my daughter is on the tennis team.
Paul: Alright.
Paul: They kept everybody.
Paul: That's okay.
Paul: Uh
Paul: She's she's she she kept they they didn't they didn't cut anybody they kept they kept everybody who tried out they kept all like all twenty four girls or whatever
Paul: Uh so they have a huge absolutely huge tennis team.
Drew: That is a pretty big team.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: She's junior varsity, of course, and she plays doubles.
Paul: So, you know.
Paul: It I guess, you know, like from what I've learned, the best play varsity singles, and then there's a sliding scale at the very end is JV doubles, right?
Drew: But that's that's fine.
Drew: Uh yeah, so generally the way it works is when you go to uh have has has she had a meet yet?
Paul: Yes.
Paul: Yeah, but she's at her third one today.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So the way they usually go, right, is you know, you you go either the team comes the team that you're playing comes to you or you go to them.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: And essentially, at least in when I was doing it, there were usually five matches, three singles, two doubles.
Drew: And you know, the the first the first singles match was generally the best player on each team.
Drew: Then the second singles were second best, third singles were that, and then you had like the first doubles team and then the second doubles team.
Drew: And when I started, I was like
Drew: Kind of riding the bench and then I became second doubles and then I became first doubles.
Drew: I was never good enough for singles.
Drew: I don't know if how that works for her, but I I I think roughly, yeah, yeah.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: So usually I record on Thursdays.
Paul: Right, right.
Paul: Well previous Thursday, uh, she she had uh she had practice and it was just
Paul: It was just a J V practice, squad two, they call it squad two.
Paul: Uh just J J V.
Paul: And uh I went to pick her up at the high school after practice and she told me the story.
Paul: And uh
Paul: Basically, what had happened was she was she was practicing and one of the coaches was like, Arabelle, let me see your racket.
Paul: And she took Arabelle's racket and tried to use it and basically said, oh my god, Arabelle, your racket is horrible.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: It is way, it is way, way too heavy at the end.
Paul: Like, and the coach is like, I've been playing tennis for like 20 years.
Paul: I can't even use this racket.
Paul: It's bad.
Paul: It's real bad.
Paul: So she had a her first match was on uh that next Friday.
Paul: So she got in the car and she's a little distraught telling me this story.
Paul: And uh
Paul: I was like, well, you this is a problem money can solve.
Paul: Right?
Paul: Like, like I will gladly take you.
Paul: Of course, the only place, there's like one place in Columbus that is like a tennis store.
Paul: They close at five.
Paul: This is well past five.
Paul: And I was like, well, you know what, I can just take you to Dick's.
Paul: They have tennis rackets.
Paul: You can you can look at them.
Paul: If you want to buy one, you can buy one.
Paul: If not, that's fine.
Paul: If you don't want to go, if you just want to wait.
Paul: and figure this out later.
Paul: It's absolutely fine.
Paul: So she kind of contemplated stuff.
Paul: We went home.
Paul: Uh sh we had dinner.
Paul: And she was like, yeah, go ahead and take me to Dicks, which is the point where I was like, I can't record, Drew.
Drew: Okay.
Paul: I'm having a we're having I didn't say this, but we're having a tennis racket emergency.
Paul: So we took her out to Dick's and we must have been there.
Paul: I have to imagine everybody in the store was just absolutely annoyed with us.
Paul: We we we we took we brought a tennis ball and we didn't hit the tennis bar very far but we did dump bounce the b the tennis balls off off some rackets
Paul: Uh we must have tried every single racket that was that was in there.
Paul: Heck, we even you we even used a little bit of uh chatty G to ask it to like like hey tell me about this racket is it good for beginners you know and stuff like that it was fun
Paul: Uh so we ended up buying a racket.
Paul: Uh I can't remember what it is, but that's not important.
Paul: So she bought the racket and uh
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: And at that point it had started raining.
Paul: So I took her to a nearby park that had some tennis courts in the rain and she tried some serves and and stuff.
Paul: And obviously I didn't have another tennis racket, but I would bounce balls at her and and toss them over to her and and generally be a fool running around chasing balls.
Paul: Uh and she's like, wow, I really do like this tenant racket a lot better.
Paul: Uh and uh at that point
Paul: Uh she felt good.
Paul: We went home and then Friday was her first match and she won.
Drew: All right.
Drew: So I gotta ask, right?
Drew: What was the racket she had before?
Paul: It was a I think it was not Wilson Prince.
Paul: Prince is a Prince.
Drew: Yeah, Prince Prince is definitely a brand.
Paul: But it was but it was not not a very expensive racket, you know, it's probably like forty bucks or whatever.
Paul: Uh we spent a little bit more on the new racket.
Paul: I was basically like just don't look at the price of there, but pick a racket that you like.
Paul: Uh uh
Paul: But sh the new one I can't remember what the new one she has now.
Paul: It's a brand that I do not recognize.
Paul: But she's a lot happier with the new racket.
Paul: And uh so we uh
Paul: She had a match yesterday in which she lost, and I think she's actually actually playing her third match right now.
Paul: So
Drew: It's funny because I remember when the first time I ever picked up a tennis racket were like my parents' tennis rackets.
Drew: And they had two.
Drew: They actually had old wooden rackets.
Drew: Oh wow.
Drew: They had like the longer handles and a smaller head.
Drew: And they also had a metal racket.
Drew: And I remember when I started playing, you know, they had lighter material rackets.
Drew: They had it still had some metal rackets and they had some like
Drew: I don't know if they I don't know if they were necessarily plastic, but they were maybe aluminum or of some kind.
Drew: And then I remember
Drew: what became hot when I was doing it is they started using graphite in rackets.
Drew: So they became incredibly light.
Drew: Like the first couple of tennis rackets I swung were were not they weren't heavy, but they were, you know, you could tell that you were swinging something.
Drew: But now with the with the different materials and I can only imagine it's even better now.
Drew: They're they're so incredibly light.
Drew: And different the different strings matter and yep.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: Yeah, she had a weight goal in mind.
Paul: She wanted it to be, I think, like was it less than nine ounces or less than eight ounces?
Paul: Still like incredibly
Drew: Incredibly light.
Drew: Now, did they did she buy a full-sized female racket or is it a junior racket?
Paul: It's a full-sized female racket.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I wasn't sure.
Drew: I mean
Drew: I think kids, I mean, I know they make the smaller ones, but I mean she's in high school, so I mean I'm sure that's perfectly fine.
Drew: But Yeah, yeah.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Well good for her.
Drew: So she likes it.
Paul: Yeah, yeah, she likes it.
Paul: She's enjoying tennis.
Paul: Uh, you know, today today is a rich full day for her.
Paul: It's her first day back at school and a tennis match.
Paul: So yeah, yeah, yeah.
Paul: Oh, and she already has a chemistry quest tomorrow, so yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Now she's a sophomore?
Drew: She's a sophomore.
Drew: Right, right, right, right.
Drew: Now, uh since we're here and we're talking about kids, where's Zach?
Paul: Uh this is his last week.
Paul: Uh next Friday, the 22nd, uh he moves into uh his dorm.
Paul: So
Paul: I guess yeah.
Paul: I've got a few more days with him.
Paul: That's that's really about it.
Paul: I mean, it really is only the middle of August.
Paul: I feel like kids go back early and early every year.
Paul: Yeah, and they get out earlier and yeah, and then they but they build in more calamity days in case like they have use more snow days than they can than they have legally.
Drew: Every day's a calamity day for me, Paul.
Drew: Yeah
Drew: Oh, so what's up with you?
Drew: Um, okay.
Drew: How's that fiber?
Drew: Okay, so the fiber is good.
Drew: So I wanna tell you I wanna tell you a tale of woe.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So, as you know, I'm deep in the ubiquity lifestyle.
Drew: I do know that, yes, yes.
Drew: And it's been it's been good.
Drew: I have access points, I have switches, I have a router.
Drew: Uh everything's good.
Drew: Now, the one thing in my house that constantly gives me grief is I had a UFI doorbell.
Drew: That was completely wireless.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Um, I'm not even gonna link it because it's trash.
Drew: The app is trash.
Drew: Uh the app the app would show you notifications that were basically ads.
Drew: Uh yeah.
Drew: And like you could I'm sure you could subscribe, but really the doorbell only existed as a way to know when somebody was at my front door.
Drew: And I have you know a network camera also on my porch.
Drew: So
Drew: I was I was sick of this thing.
Drew: So a couple months ago it started acting up where it would just not connect to my Wi-Fi every once in a while.
Drew: Uh oh.
Drew: Yeah, and it it was like it was like two pieces.
Drew: So the doorbell itself was like this plastic
Drew: Well, there was like a plastic thing that like screwed into the wood on my front porch and then the doorbell would go into this thing and it had no wires in it at all.
Drew: It was completely wireless, so it had like a rechargeable battery in it, which that right there is annoying
Drew: I don't want to have to like go out there.
Drew: And it had like a special latch that you needed, basically like a paper clip to like get it out of there, charge it, take it back out, pain in the ass.
Drew: And then the the base unit is what talked to Wi-Fi.
Drew: So that was the thing that would join Wi-Fi.
Drew: That's what like the SD card was in.
Drew: So if it was making recordings and whatnot, like that's what that was in.
Drew: And ever since we moved the the family that lived here before us, like it was there.
Drew: So like we had to like, you know, reset it, take it over, and it worked.
Drew: It worked.
Drew: you know, it was perfectly fine other than the charging thing for like two years.
Drew: But then a couple months ago, like it would just like
Drew: lose connection to Wi-Fi.
Drew: I tried moving it, you know, closer to the access point, thinking like, okay, maybe it's my mesh network or something, but it it really didn't matter.
Drew: So I was like, fuck it.
Drew: I want to replace this.
Drew: And, you know, I'm in the ubiquity lifestyle.
Drew: So I went shopping and I bought this.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So this is the G Four Doorbell Pro POE kit
Drew: And as the name implies, it is it is a ubiquity doorbell.
Drew: It is pretty fucking awesome, as you can imagine.
Drew: Um so the the couple main the couple main features well there's there's a couple of cool really cool features about it, but one that really sealed the deal for me.
Drew: Is first and foremost, it's power over Ethernet.
Drew: So it's wired.
Drew: So I had to call an electrician.
Drew: They had to drill a big hole in my wall.
Drew: They ran the cable all the way from like my doorbell to my cellar.
Drew: I wasn't even going to try to do that.
Drew: They actually did a really good job.
Drew: They only had to cut one drywall hole.
Drew: They were able to fish it through uh my downstairs by taking out some of my can lights and then putting them back.
Drew: So I was really impressed with like what they were able to do.
Drew: So they ran it.
Drew: And I installed it.
Drew: And it's it's great, it's got great resolution.
Drew: It it's in the native Ubiquity system.
Drew: So you know it has it's part of the Protect app.
Drew: So if you've ever used Ubiquity before
Drew: When you log into the console, there's different tabs.
Drew: So it's a tab for network, and that's where you configure your ports and your Wi-Fi and all that other stuff.
Drew: And then Protect is if you have cameras or door access or
Drew: other stuff like this doorbell, like that's the tab that it lives in.
Drew: And uh it has it has actually has two cameras in it.
Drew: It has a camera that is like front facing and then it has a camera that calls the package camera.
Drew: Where it is like a downward facing angle at like your step or like your porch.
Drew: So if somebody sets something there, you can see if it's still there or not.
Drew: And it's got like really, really good detection.
Drew: It knows when there's a per.
Drew: Like my other camera would just detect motion.
Drew: It wouldn't, it wouldn't differentiate, right?
Drew: This is like, oh, there's a person.
Drew: Oh, there's a car.
Drew: Oh, there's a dog.
Drew: Oh, you know, it's raining.
Drew: Whatever.
Drew: You can set up all different types of alerts.
Drew: The ecosystem like the settings are crazy good.
Drew: And and you can have it show a little picture
Drew: On the LC.
Drew: A little screen.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So and it's reactive, right?
Drew: So you can have it show a picture all the time, but if it detects a delivery, it can like flash a message like please leave package on step or whatever.
Drew: It's it's it's phenomenal.
Drew: Uh but the number one killer feature is uh when somebody rings the doorbell, it makes a fart noise now
Paul: Like if I push a derbo, would I hear a fart noise?
Paul: You don't hear it.
Paul: Okay, you don't hear it.
Drew: But in my house, it sounds like there's a wet fart somewhere in my house.
Drew: So yeah, you you can you can upload you can upload your own sounds.
Drew: Um
Drew: So like what's what also is in the box is there's like a like a remote chime that's also power over Ethernet.
Drew: And right now that's just in my back cellar.
Drew: I I'm going to run the cable for that.
Drew: I just don't know where I want that to ultimately live.
Drew: So that's great, right?
Drew: Like everything's good.
Drew: It worked for one day.
Drew: Oh no.
Drew: It worked for one day.
Drew: So because yeah, so because this is part of the protect system.
Drew: It has to have like your protect app running on your Ubiquity gear has to have storage.
Drew: Now, my dream machine special edition has one hard drive slot.
Drew: So
Drew: I plugged it in and I was able to adopt the device, but it kept giving me warnings like, hey, not possible to record.
Drew: So it wasn't working.
Drew: So I shut down my dream machine and I went to Micro Center and I bought a new hard drive and I put a hard drive in it.
Drew: And I had previously had a hard drive in it, but it wasn't booting with the hard drive in it.
Drew: And I had read online, it's like, yeah, if your hard drive's bad, like it might cause your dream machine to not boot or whatever.
Drew: And once I took the hard drive out and rebooted it, it was fine.
Drew: So I was like, okay, I'm just gonna go buy.
Drew: a new hard drive.
Drew: So like I researched like what does Ubiquity recommend for hard drives and they're like purple surveillance, Western Digital or Seagate or whatever.
Drew: So I just you know went to Microspenter spent 70 bucks on like a a four gig purple rated hard drive.
Drew: And I went home and I shut down the Ubiquity.
Drew: I shut it down the right way.
Drew: I went into the console, shut it down, unplugged it.
Drew: you know, put took the old or that will hold or whole I took the the hard drive cage out, put the new hard drive in, put it in, booted it back up, and it wouldn't boot.
Drew: And I'm like, okay, what's going on here?
Drew: So I f I fussed with it for like 24 hours and I just could not get it to boot.
Drew: It was to the point where I couldn't even factory reset my dream machine.
Drew: Now, these things are not cheap.
Drew: They're anywhere from $350 to $450.
Drew: So I'm like, what the fuck is going on here?
Drew: I read Reddit posts, I read support posts, I tried everything.
Drew: I just could not get it to work.
Drew: So I called Ubiquity and surprise, surprise, they give you a two-year warranty.
Drew: I bought this thing two years and four months ago, so I was out of fuck.
Drew: So I ended up having to replace it.
Drew: But what I did replace it with is I replaced it with this.
Drew: Still in the Ubiquity ecosystem, but I replaced it with the Dream Machine Pro Max.
Drew: Pro Max.
Drew: Now, this is the same thing, give or take, except it has two hard drive ports.
Drew: Two.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So you might be wondering, why wouldn't I just buy the same thing that I had?
Drew: Well Pro Max.
Drew: Well it's Pro Max, but it but it has two hard drive slots as opposed to one.
Drew: Now, when I was in here poking around in this thing
Drew: The latest version of the Ubiquiti software that runs on the router has a new feature.
Drew: Now they call it a preview feature, but they now support third-party cameras.
Drew: Oh, okay.
Drew: So if your cameras have an RTSP feed, I think is the name of the protocol, which is essentially just like your camera serving HTTPS or whatever, or HTTP.
Drew: It can now read from those cameras.
Drew: So like my off-brand non-Ubiquity cameras can now be part of my Ubiquity Protect application.
Drew: So I can have the doorbell and I can have my three exterior cameras on it.
Drew: Now it's not perfect because they're not Ubiquity cameras, it's it doesn't support all the same features, right?
Drew: Like it doesn't do detection and it doesn't do alerting, which is kind of defeats the purpose in my opinion of doing it.
Drew: Now, what's interesting is oh and it also doesn't record sound from iCameras, which is kind of shitty.
Drew: But long story short, you can you can actually SSH into the the Dream Machine Pro Max.
Drew: And there's essentially a JSON file in there that lets you tamper with the different feeds that it picks up from your camera.
Drew: So like my my exterior cameras right now actually provide two feeds.
Drew: They provide a low quality feed and a high quality feed.
Drew: But whatever I put in the default settings to have it like read from my cameras, it picks up the low quality one.
Drew: And it and it and it and it won't pick up the audio channel.
Drew: But if I were to get were to go in there and tamper with this JSON, which I have not done yet, so I don't know if it's gonna work, apparently I can tell it to use the audio feed and I can tell it to use the high quality feed.
Drew: And if I can get it to do that much
Drew: I might be able to consolidate completely in the Ubiquity Protect ecosystem versus the um
Drew: Uh, what's it called?
Drew: My stupid NAS that I can't remember the name of right now.
Drew: Oh my god.
Drew: Uh who makes my NAS?
Drew: Synology.
Drew: Yeah, the Synology security station solution, which works fine.
Drew: Like I'm f you know, if if it's if it doesn't work, it's not the end of the world.
Drew: But I would like to try to consolidate on on both on one thing.
Drew: And this might be a way to get me to do that.
Drew: And look, if they continue to improve the compatibility with third-party cameras, then that's going to be the the best solution, I think, for me.
Drew: But yeah, uh that's that was kind of my big catastrophe.
Drew: So like I didn't have internet for like 24 hours while I was trying to figure this out.
Drew: So like I have you know I have a I have a new puppy, I've got like work stuff, I'm trying to do this, like
Drew: Ugh.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: But it's good.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I I really like my doorbell.
Drew: I can make it have a picture of my dog.
Drew: And like I said, you can upload all the different sounds and everything.
Drew: It's pretty good.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: The camera on that thing is so good.
Drew: It's so good.
Drew: And you can have like the you know the L the LED light up and everything, which I know you love.
Drew: Now they do make a Wi-Fi version.
Drew: It still has to get power though.
Drew: So like if you had a regular doorbell, which my house didn't have by the way.
Paul: Yeah, that's what mine took so it powers off the doorbell wires.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Yeah, and at our old house, when I bought the when I had my ring doorbell at the old house, I was able to wire it into that.
Drew: My house is interesting.
Drew: So I don't think my house has ever had a doorbell.
Drew: And the reason I say that is when my
Drew: When my house was built, it was built in 1989, I believe.
Drew: 36 years old, right?
Drew: So that would be 89.
Drew: So when my house was built, and I'm looking at it right now because it has this system in it called valet.
Drew: So it's like it it's like a whole home intercom.
Drew: Oh, okay.
Drew: So like for example, in our bedroom
Drew: And in my office and in our laundry room, there are these boxes.
Drew: And I'm pretty sure there was one on my front porch at some time.
Drew: But there was there isn't one there now.
Drew: And and they don't work.
Drew: Right?
Drew: They they they're not powered right now.
Drew: Because upstairs in my kitchen, you can very clearly see an outline of a bigger
Drew: like section where I think it used to be, where like the master control panel used to be.
Drew: So
Drew: I I don't know where exactly on my front porch those wires were.
Drew: And I and that's why I decided to just go with this one.
Drew: I went with this one mostly because, you know, power over Ethernet, it's easy.
Drew: And it came with the chime in the box, which is also PoE, which is pretty nice.
Drew: So yeah, that was my big thing.
Drew: So that was kind of like an unexpected expense that I didn't really kind of anticipate.
Drew: Right, right, right.
Drew: So
Drew: Alright, so let's talk about Apple stuff.
Paul: I yeah, yeah, I'm a big beta boy.
Drew: So iOS and watch okay, iOS and watch.
Paul: Actually now, actually technically now I've also been doing and iPad OS.
Drew: What about Mac OS?
Paul: Uh and and and Mac OS.
Paul: Okay, all right.
Paul: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Paul: I mean that's I'm running that on just my Mac Mini.
Paul: My my main MacBook Pro still has uh
Paul: whatever this current version is.
Paul: Uh for Sequoia.
Paul: Sequoia.
Paul: And not Tahoe.
Paul: Sequoia.
Paul: God damn it, so yeah.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: But I'm running I'm running the betas.
Drew: I'm running all the betas.
Drew: Okay, so I'm I'll admit I'm a little out of the loop with Apple stuff right now because gestures at dog.
Drew: Yeah help me help me understand what's in these OSs and kind of like walk me through each one of these things and what you're noticing.
Paul: Okay, so
Paul: The biggest thing that you will notice across all of the OS is the new design
Drew: Oh, it's the what do they call it?
Drew: The um liquid glass.
Drew: Liquid glass.
Paul: Liquid liquid glass.
Paul: Now what do you think of it?
Paul: I I I love it.
Paul: I love it.
Paul: It's great.
Paul: I think it looks so cool.
Paul: It's a little, I wish it was a little bit more on the Mac.
Paul: On the Mac, it's very, very subtle.
Paul: You'd almost have to do like side by side in some situations, like sidebars look a little different.
Paul: And I also haven't used Mac OS them very much because mostly I'm just on that thing to do little things or or do some X code stuff.
Paul: But uh an iOS, Swatch OS, iPad OS, it's it's gonna be pretty striking.
Paul: They are really leaning into more transparency.
Paul: In controls.
Paul: So, like, for example, if you pull down control center, every little button is this frosted translucent glass.
Paul: thing with an icon on it instead of whatever it was before.
Paul: And you can see like the the the the colors of your icon shining through.
Paul: Now some some beta early betas I started at beta 4.
Paul: Now we're on beta 6 as of like a few days ago.
Paul: The the early betas from screenshots, you mean it's it was rough.
Paul: It was too transparent.
Paul: And heck, even now
Paul: You can still get it to look bad if you work at it.
Paul: Like, so okay, a good example of that.
Paul: So let's just say that I open up the app store.
Paul: Uh and all of the buttons, all the buttons at the bottom are now in a tab bar and the active one is and what all of them are kind of translucent.
Paul: So all the tabs at the bottom, like today, games, apps, arcade, that is semi-transparent.
Paul: So what that means is as you scroll, uh if there is, let's see if I can get it to to do it.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So as you scroll, if it it's it wants to
Paul: So but I I use I use light mode because I'm I'm a fancy boy.
Drew: Yeah, no, you're a normal person, yep.
Paul: So by default, the the glass is light and the selected icon is blue and the on other s unselected icons are black.
Paul: If you scroll and you get over really dark content, the glass gets a little darker, the the icon changes from black to white, and the selected icon is like a lighter blue.
Paul: And sometimes you can get it over top of something where like you just like it's too dark, you can't read anything.
Paul: It's just real bad.
Paul: But you scroll a little bit and then everything kind of pops into place because you're on a over you're over a different color.
Paul: Uh
Paul: I do think it looks really cool.
Paul: I I understand why there's a lot of like developers who are just kind of grumpy and trying to get their apps redesigned to work with it.
Paul: And I get that, I get that, I get that.
Paul: But I think
Paul: Most people are gonna look at this design and I think they are really going to like it.
Drew: I I'm I'm sort of like holding judgment because I want to see it.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: You know?
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: It it feels like
Paul: I I the thing that I am worried about is I don't think a lot of third-party apps are going to embrace it.
Paul: So it's gonna be like an Apple only thing, right?
Paul: Because a lot of third party apps, like think like Spotify.
Paul: They have a very strong brand.
Paul: Their app looks the same no matter what you're doing it.
Paul: They're not gonna have a drop of liquid glass in it.
Paul: Google, they don't give a shit.
Paul: They like their material design, which barf.
Paul: Uh it's everything's gonna look like that.
Paul: Maybe some indie developers will embrace it to try to differ differentiate themselves and
Paul: And you know, and and you know, those are also like big Apple fans, so they want to be doing the latest and newest thing.
Paul: So I think maybe, you know, your third-party independent apps like Overcast is going to have some liquid glass in it.
Paul: Of course it is.
Paul: Uh
Paul: But I think over it all overall I think it looks really cool.
Paul: Yes, you can get screenshots where it looks bad, yet you can you can force it.
Paul: Those they're still tweaking it overall.
Paul: There's still everyone it's beta six is actually running pretty good
Paul: Every once in a while I see like an animation bug.
Paul: Every once in a while.
Paul: It's a I saw them a lot more on beta five.
Paul: Beta six seems to be
Paul: Pretty solid.
Paul: It's also uh developer beta six is out and also public beta three came out today too.
Paul: So if you don't if you want to get on the public beta, you can.
Paul: It's the same version.
Paul: Uh, you know, I everything I have every app I have tried to use have worked.
Paul: So if anyone wants to jump on the beta train and be a big beta boy like me, uh
Paul: It's a good time to jump on if you want to check it out.
Paul: Watch OS isn't that different.
Paul: It's just some of the buttons look more liquid glassy now.
Paul: This is the first time I've ever ran a watch beta, so meh.
Paul: iPad OS is very interesting.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Because what they did is they said
Paul: Fuck it.
Paul: You want windows?
Paul: You're getting windows.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: You want you you wanna you want to be able to resize everything and
Paul: And have as many windows open on your iPad as you possibly can squeeze in there and you want to resize them all to be exactly right, just you just get those windows, you filthy little boy.
Paul: You just get them
Paul: Uh and it's it's a it it actually works really well.
Paul: Uh they didn't get rid of like slide over and pop over, uh which I did use slide over some.
Paul: But it's actually really cool.
Paul: You know, uh you get a little like grabby handle in the bottom right hand corner of all your apps.
Paul: You can you can grab it and you can just resize that window.
Paul: It live resizes then
Paul: If you open up another app and resize it, you can see them both on the same screen.
Paul: They can they they can actually overlap each other.
Paul: Who would have thought?
Drew: Uh yeah, they basically just like fuck it.
Drew: I haven't had an app that doesn't work.
Drew: So basically you launch the app.
Drew: Does it launch full screen and then you have to like swipe to turn it into a window?
Paul: Yeah, that's just that's that's how it's been working for me.
Paul: I think let's see if by have if I launch an app.
Paul: And I make it small.
Paul: Here we're gonna do some live live uh iPading right here.
Paul: So let me just open up uh Net Newswire and make it small.
Paul: And then let me open up another app.
Paul: Uh actually let's close you.
Paul: Let's open up DC Universe.
Paul: Okay, yep, that did launch in full screen.
Paul: Let's try another one here.
Paul: Let's open up my to-do app.
Paul: Yeah, so it opened up full screen originally, and then I can just resize it down.
Paul: Um, but it works really well.
Paul: If you could, you know, it it it
Paul: It does it yeah, it it it works extremely well.
Drew: Uh what do they call it?
Drew: Because if I Google iPad Windows, it's just about people trying to jump break it and run it on me.
Paul: Oh let me let me uh let's see we're because you can tr you can what's an interesting thing is if you're if you're like an old
Paul: And you just want to have one app at a time, big iPhone, iPad mode, you totally can turn it off.
Paul: Okay, so it's a multitasking and gestures.
Paul: So it is called windowed apps.
Paul: Windows apps.
Paul: So the options you have is full screen apps.
Paul: Always use apps full screen and swipe home to switch between them.
Drew: Okay, so there's windows view, slide over and center.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: So this is windowed.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: See so at most you could have two things open.
Paul: No, no, no.
Paul: You can have I think I think on my iPad I can have eight.
Paul: Huh.
Paul: 26 when when and split view, two apps show side by side.
Paul: Well split view is gone.
Paul: Split view is gone.
Paul: Oh it's gone.
Paul: It's gone.
Paul: This is the new version of the game.
Drew: Okay, I'm reading the current one.
Paul: Okay, yeah.
Paul: So here here's a
Paul: What this is an Apple Insider.
Paul: I do not like that their logo is AI.
Paul: That bothers me.
Paul: But they're Apple Insider and it shows you uh a little some screenshots.
Paul: about what it looks like.
Paul: Control Center doesn't look that bad.
Paul: Look, control center looks better than that in that screenshot.
Paul: It must be an old old old beta if you scroll down.
Paul: But uh yeah that's that's that's what it looks like.
Paul: You you you
Paul: You can see the little little grabby thing in the on the right and you can just resize it.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: You can basically always have it be full screen.
Drew: You can do window dApps or you can do stage manager.
Drew: Yep.
Paul: And like in and if an app is windowed, all you have to do now like the the the traffic lights, the the red, orange, and green controls.
Paul: Now that they're on iPad windows, it's kind of cute because they're really, really, really small.
Paul: And you tap it and then they get big.
Paul: And then you can tap on the control again, which I think is a pretty clever way of doing it.
Paul: And you can just put it right back into full screen.
Paul: And then it's there and and it's looks like a regular iPad app, but it's got the little it's got the little whoop-de-doo in the corner.
Paul: You can just grab that sucker and and go.
Paul: Yeah, it's pretty great.
Paul: It's pretty great.
Paul: Not that, you know, not that I'm a huge iPad productivity user.
Paul: I mean, I pretty much have exactly two uh three reasons I use my iPad.
Paul: I use it to edit the podcast with Ferrite.
Paul: I'd read comic books on it and I play Seduko puzzles on it.
Drew: So Sadoho.
Drew: There you go.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Cool.
Drew: Yeah, yeah.
Drew: All right.
Drew: And then what about macOS?
Paul: Mac OS is very, very
Paul: subtle I would say.
Paul: There's not a whole like there is some visual changes.
Paul: Uh let me let me I'm gonna log in so I can just take a look.
Paul: I think one of the coolest features is uh in Finder you now can choose to have folders be different colors and then give them an own your custom little little emoji or symbol on them.
Drew: Couldn't you label stuff before in Mac mini?
Paul: But now say I have a folder on my Mac Mini called code.
Paul: And it is orange because orange is the best color.
Paul: And it's got a little outline of an iPhone on it.
Paul: And this is so cute.
Paul: Orange is a pretty good color.
Paul: I do like orange.
Paul: It's good.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Now when will all this stuff officially not be beta?
Paul: Uh I mean you have to imagine it would be like late September before the new iPhones come out, usually in October.
Paul: So between end of September, beginning of October, probably.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: I'm I'm really intrigued by the windowing thing on the iPad.
Drew: Because I think it'd be cool to be able to like have, you know, Arc open and then like YouTube or something.
Paul: Yeah, yeah.
Paul: It even works even works on iPad minis for some reason.
Paul: Who knows why?
Paul: But you could have Windows on an on a mini.
Drew: Go crazy.
Drew: So
Drew: Uh that's that's an interesting thing, right?
Drew: So what about the scaling?
Drew: So let's say I'm watching something on YouTube and I need to flip over to like Arc to like read about how terrible everything is.
Drew: When I window YouTube
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Does it respect like the aspect ratio of the video, or is it like the entire YouTube app becomes a window?
Drew: Uh let's see.
Drew: So I've recently.
Drew: When I'm looking at the YouTube app on my phone, the videos at the top, the comments are underneath, like other stuff's there.
Drew: Like what happens?
Drew: Because like today, if I swipe up
Drew: It puts like just the video there.
Paul: Yeah, so it's it's resizing.
Paul: It looks like it's just if you get it low enough, it becomes the iPad app, essentially.
Paul: Uh but you it basically when I resize it to be kind of little, uh it's like 80% video, and then there's a little white bar at the bottom that has the name of the video.
Paul: Hmm.
Paul: Uh one happens if I put it on full screen.
Paul: So full screen okay, so full screen is full screen inside of the window
Paul: So it's just it's full screen, but it's windowed, and then I can open arc beside it.
Paul: And uh let me go go away arc.
Paul: I didn't want to resize you.
Paul: Yeah, yeah, it totally works.
Paul: It does exact it works exactly how you want it to.
Paul: Exactly how you want it to.
Drew: Exactly how you want it to.
Paul: Yeah, how you hope it would work.
Paul: Uh okay.
Drew: Maybe it's time for me to finally get an iPad.
Paul: Yeah, yeah.
Paul: And if if you want to do it, all you have to do is when you go into uh
Paul: General and software update.
Paul: There is a option for the beta updates.
Paul: You just pick iOS 26 Public Beta and uh it'll download the update and reboot, and you're a big beta boy like me.
Paul: So
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Yeah, I'm in I mean I'm intrigued.
Drew: I'm intrigued.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: All right.
Drew: So this next one here.
Drew: Uh I I
Drew: am going to say that I saw this show up on my Blue Sky feed.
Drew: Uh friend of the show, Andy Levy, was having a discussion with somebody about using Macs.
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: So apparently and I don't know if you saw this either, but I I did.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So apparently Apple has confirmed
Drew: That they are working on a MacBook Pro with built-in cellular aka 5G.
Drew: Apple hasn't said shit.
Paul: People have dug around in the beta OSs and found references to it.
Drew: Oh, Apple Apple code confirmed.
Drew: Sorry.
Drew: I didn't read.
Paul: I can't read.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: Now Apple doesn't talk about upcoming products, but yeah.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Now, look, we've talked about this before.
Drew: I struggle so much with the idea of needing
Drew: cellular in a computer.
Drew: Like I'm warm to the idea of it being in an iPad.
Drew: I just don't envision myself being anywhere.
Drew: anywhere that I would need my computer that Wi-Fi isn't an option and even if it wasn't
Drew: being able to tether to answer a slack message or use my phone to answer a slack message.
Drew: I I I this is not for me and I'm I'm not judging.
Drew: Like some people want this.
Drew: Some people like I don't I don't ATP
Drew: Rattles on about this constantly.
Paul: Yes.
Drew: Would you buy a new MacBook Pro if it had this
Paul: Would I would I replace my current Mac early for this?
Paul: No.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: When I bought a new Mac, would I would I seriously consider buying the cellular option?
Paul: Yes.
Paul: If I bought the cylinder option, would I necessarily activate it right away?
Paul: No.
Paul: I'm so confused.
Paul: But I would like to have the option to activate it when I wanted it.
Paul: Where are the people working that they use?
Paul: That's the thing is I don't necessarily there there are a case.
Paul: So what the I I have cellular, an active cellular connection on my iPad.
Drew: Yep, we've talked about this.
Paul: What I like what I like doing the most is like the biggest use case I have for it is if I'm off and I'm
Paul: Picking up my daughter from something or somewhere, or like she has an event at the high school, and like I'm like 20 minutes away from the high school, and maybe the event is an hour or an hour and a half.
Paul: And I do the math in my head, it's like, well, it's too, it's not enough time for me to go home.
Paul: I'll just sit in the parking lot.
Paul: And I love having the cellular iPad there because I can watch
Paul: YouTube videos, I can check some email, I can catch up on Teams, I can do you know a lot of well, I'm a middle manager, so I can do basically do all of my work too.
Paul: I can do whatever I want for my iPad, and I and I love that.
Paul: Uh I don't know if I had a Mac with cellular fiber replay.
Paul: Actually, yeah, no, I wouldn't.
Paul: I would not bring my Mac in that situation.
Paul: I would still keep my iPad.
Paul: Because I like, you know, I like the ability of iPad that I can just I can tear it out of the keyboard case and I can watch a video or I can turn it sideways and like you know I I I can read comic books on it.
Paul: I can I can do whatever I want with that sucker.
Paul: It's it's great, I love it.
Paul: Uh
Paul: So that's my primary use case for it.
Paul: On the do on the occasions that I do uh travel, uh I do like having it so I don't have to worry about
Paul: whatever the Wi-Fi is or like just if it's congested or or uh do I have a good signal in the seat that I picked?
Paul: Uh because usually the my place is, you know, the the the cellular signal is usually pretty good there.
Paul: Uh I l I do like having it.
Paul: Uh I don't think I would ever give it up, but I don't know whether
Paul: I I I hope they do cellular in their Macs.
Paul: I just don't know if it's gonna be an
Paul: I I I the situations where I'd like having it, I think I'd rather have an iPad.
Paul: If that makes sense.
Drew: That's the thing though, right?
Drew: I I I can
Drew: kind of get on board with the iPad cellular.
Drew: I can even the watch because I don't want to log my phone and I want to be able to go for a run and have cellular.
Drew: I I can buy in into that
Paul: I've never bothered to activate the cellular in my watch.
Paul: Ever.
Paul: Yeah.
Drew: But but I Yeah.
Drew: I just I I don't understand the people who are of all the things you could tell Apple to work on, this is so far down the list for me.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And I know I know I know some people go nuts for this.
Drew: I can see some use cases.
Paul: Like if you you tra I mean you do travel a lot, but like, you know, I could see, you know, like
Paul: people who spend a lot of time in airports and driving in in between places to be able to not like, oh geez, I need to I need to review my presentation and change a couple slides and the Uber ride from the ho from the
Paul: you know, from the airport to the office and I can just pull up my Mac and connect to cellular and do whatever I need to do and and and everything like that.
Drew: Or listen.
Paul: Or people who like
Paul: w actually do works for a living and have to like drive around to different places.
Paul: I could see the like that, but Okay.
Drew: So
Drew: Traveling nurses, for example.
Drew: Nurses, nurses that do in-home care.
Drew: But you know what?
Drew: They're not on laptops.
Drew: Like the guy that the guy that came to my house to give me my quote to run the iPad thing, he's on an iPad with cellular.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: That's all he needs, right?
Drew: Mm-hmm.
Drew: The the actual the actual computer though I struggle I really struggle
Paul: I really do.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: I mean, I you see a lot of door-to-door salespeople or or stuff like that using iPads now.
Paul: I mean, heck, my company employs people and that do that and we give them iPads.
Paul: Uh
Paul: And you know it and I think it is kind of nicer because I think, you know, like maybe this is the me problem, but like if if I'm if I'm talking to somebody and I want to show them something on my screen
Paul: There's like different levels.
Paul: Like if I'm showing it on my iPhone, it's extremely casual.
Paul: My iPad, it's a little less casual, but still pretty good.
Paul: But like, look at my computer feels like an invasion of privacy, you know?
Drew: You're putting you're putting somebody on a pip, right?
Drew: Like that's what that's what you're doing in that situation.
Drew: Like
Drew: I mean, and and again, like the comments in the in the in the blue sky thread.
Drew: And I and I'm not and and Andy, if you're listening, I'm not I'm not begrudging you.
Drew: It's just, I don't understand why people think they need this.
Drew: And I spend my money on dumb shit.
Drew: And it's so hypocritical for me to talk about this.
Drew: But it's just like
Drew: Explain your use case to me.
Drew: Now, the one person that was in the thread that was talking about this is a big camper.
Drew: But isn't the point of camping getting away from that stuff?
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Like do you do you want technology pervasive with you on a camping trip?
Paul: Yeah, I I don't know.
Paul: I I yeah
Paul: So here's here's here, I mean here's the the the question, right?
Paul: Hold on.
Paul: Let me let me exit the education store here.
Paul: So currently on an iPad, I'm just gonna look at an iPad Pro.
Paul: It give me out of this.
Paul: Come on, come on, come on, come on.
Paul: I don't want to be in the education store.
Paul: That's why I hit exit the first time, motherfucker.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: IPad Pro.
Paul: Let's try this again.
Paul: Uh buy.
Paul: Okay, so right now it costs, let's pick the 11-inch model black.
Paul: Okay, so standard glass.
Paul: It cost an additional let's see
Drew: Oh yeah.
Drew: We haven't even talked about that part.
Paul: Yeah, so it is basically $200 extra on an iPad to get cellular.
Paul: How much do you think they would charge on a Mac?
Paul: I would imagine the same.
Drew: I'm not I'm I I I know that it'll be more.
Paul: I think it's gonna be more.
Paul: Because I think they're gonna think like, well, this is a computer, so we can charge more.
Paul: I think it's gonna be like 300 bucks for the computer.
Drew: You're probably not, you're probably not wrong.
Paul: You're probably not wrong
Paul: That's that's significant.
Paul: If it was 300 bucks, I'd have to think really hard about that.
Paul: Because 300 bucks, I'd get you a nice juicy RAM upgrade, you know?
Paul: It could.
Drew: I mean, yeah, that's the thing.
Drew: Like think about how much you could get to $300, especially on a Mac.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: And that's the thing, is like for the for the two situations a year that you need this, is it really worth it?
Drew: Is it Yeah
Paul: I'd have to think long and hard about whether I would do it or not.
Paul: I st I do love it on my iPad, but I like it on my iPad because it's an iPad.
Paul: Right.
Drew: Right, and I and I can all I I I would never do that, but I have an easier time accepting that.
Drew: I really do
Drew: Because if if you if you needed to hop on your computer and update it and update a Google slide or answer a Teams message or anything, fucking tether.
Drew: Like it's not like that's all you have to do.
Drew: You already pay for cellular on your phone.
Drew: Right.
Drew: And don't tell me like I and and again, this is why I can buy into the iPad thing, because the iPad as a media consumption device, I could totally see having cellular for that.
Drew: Right?
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Versus watching it on my phone.
Drew: But I'm not I'm not in the habit of taking my MacBook Pro around and watching videos on it.
Drew: I'm not.
Drew: Like that's not what I'm that's not what I'm about, you know?
Drew: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Drew: So long story short, I think it'll be interesting if they do.
Drew: I I I kind of secretly hope they don't
Drew: I know I know all these code sleuths have done all this work.
Drew: I'm actually disappointed that they're doing it.
Paul: Okay, we'll figure this out all together.
Drew: Okay, yeah, okay.
Drew: I don't know what happened.
Drew: We were on a roll.
Drew: I don't either.
Drew: This is all staying in.
Drew: So what happened on your end there?
Drew: Uh so I heard I heard a noise, blink blink!
Paul: It was it was the the the lips and connect noise and I was like what was that noise?
Paul: Yep and then I went down
Paul: And I was reading the error messages to the listeners because it was an awful error message of like, you know, user with ID, your email address, not in quorum.
Paul: I'm like, what the fuck does that mean?
Paul: What are we, a SQL Server?
Paul: Like so I don't know if that's if the recording is gonna continue.
Paul: I'm gonna have two files.
Paul: I don't know what's gonna happen.
Drew: We don't find nothing else.
Drew: It said it could not upload my critical chunks and it just booted me out of the call.
Drew: Maybe maybe Libson went down because I didn't lose internet.
Paul: I was on the call the whole time.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Weird.
Paul: Well, you gotta manage those chunks, right?
Drew: Yeah, I gotta manage all the chunks.
Paul: Mm-hmm.
Drew: Alright.
Drew: Anyway, I think that's probably a good time to switch topics anyway.
Drew: Yeah, I I think so.
Drew: I think so.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Uh last topic of the night
Drew: So it's time for a new dishwasher, Paul.
Drew: Me too, Drew.
Drew: I need a new dishwasher.
Drew: Here's the thing though: our dishwasher is working.
Drew: So is mine, technically.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So uh in this essay I will tell you why I want a new dishwasher.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: So a couple things.
Drew: Um, number one, our dishwasher is not getting things very clean right now.
Drew: Okay, I don't have that problem with mine, but but I'd have other problems with mine.
Drew: I'm not throwing whole pleats of uneaten food in my dishwasher.
Drew: Right.
Drew: I r I rinse most of the time.
Drew: And at very minimum I will take like a paper towel or a napkin
Drew: that I was using and I will wipe out the excess spinach or noodles or chicken or whatever that I didn't eat.
Paul: I'm gonna tell you you're cleaning your plates too much before you put them in the dishwasher.
Paul: Oh, honey, no.
Paul: Soap soap soap works a little better when there's some fat for it to connect onto.
Paul: You'd be surprised if you left some crud on there how much cleaner your phone your
Drew: I'm sorry.
Drew: Am I talking about RFK?
Drew: Like what are we doing here?
Paul: Scrape, don't rinse.
Paul: So get big chunks off
Paul: But like if there's like some sauce on there or whatever, so mad at you right now.
Paul: Do do not no I'm telling you it works better because that's how soap works
Drew: I understand whatever.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Anyway.
Drew: I I I I got I I got a real problem with that.
Drew: Uh so look, all I know is my dishwasher has not been getting things as clean as I would like.
Drew: And the other thing is, at some point
Drew: The rack the racks in my dishwasher are not on rails.
Drew: They are on wheels.
Drew: They are on wheels that sit on rails.
Drew: Now somehow, one of those wheels came off
Drew: And wound up on a heating element.
Drew: And my house smelled awful for a few days
Drew: Now, only part of the wheel melted.
Drew: So Mr.
Drew: Fix It here decided to basically immobilize that wheel so it stays on the track.
Drew: It's kind of hard to open our bottom rack right now.
Paul: Oh, okay.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Now I can probably I can probably go onto some parts website and buy another wheel or do whatever.
Drew: But look.
Drew: I don't care.
Drew: I'm sick of dishwashers with heating elements because anytime a piece of food or a plastic wheel or a cup or something falls through there, my wife has like these silicone straws.
Drew: And if one somehow winds uh winds up in the bottom of the dishwasher, like forget about it, right?
Drew: Okay
Drew: So I've had it I've had it in my mind to get a new dishwasher for a while.
Drew: So I've been doing research.
Drew: Now before I tell you about what I'm buying, why are you in the market for a new dishwasher?
Paul: So uh so again my racks are also just on wheels and I just find that absolutely annoying because any little thing
Paul: Like i I feel like it's gotten worse that like the it just it just things just get a skew and then I'm like cursing at the damn thing, trying to jam the fucking thing back in.
Paul: Also, uh
Paul: the the the the actual like racks in the dishwasher, uh they the the coating on them keeps coming off and they keep rusting.
Paul: I have replaced like the top and the bottom, and it continues to happen, and I'm getting tired of it.
Paul: And the last kind of straw was the the the ceiling, you know, the thing that keeps the the water on the inside of the dishwasher and not on your floor
Paul: It's starting to peel away.
Paul: It's only at the top, so I don't have any leaks.
Paul: But I do not like the fact that it's starting to come apart.
Paul: So at this point I'm kind of just like, yeah, my dishwasher works, it's fine, but uh it I'm j I'm just I'm tired of dealing with the stuff.
Paul: When we bought the appliances for the house, we basically like did one of those like, we'll just buy all the same brand and get a discount in a set.
Paul: And and and the only the only appliance in there well I well technically I have the microwave and the dishwasher left in that original purchase.
Paul: Uh
Paul: The stove and the fridge all died of that.
Paul: And I'm just I'm just kinda I'm just kinda tired.
Paul: So I kinda I want and also the new ones have three racks, Judy.
Drew: Yes, that's the three racks.
Drew: Three whole racks, buddy.
Drew: I love a good rack.
Drew: Uh-huh.
Paul: All right.
Paul: So.
Paul: So what what are what are you looking at?
Paul: I've done a little bit of research.
Paul: I really haven't dug in too much, but
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Which is why when you said we hope this, I'm like, ooh, I hope Drew picked out a dishwasher and I'll just bite.
Drew: Alright.
Drew: So after doing my research
Drew: Really, the internet is in love with two particular brands and in those brands two particular models in general.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: So the two the two brands that oca that they're very, very popular are Bosch
Drew: Okay, Bosch, that's what I was looking at.
Drew: Bosch.
Drew: Yes.
Drew: And this other company that I I admittedly had never heard of before, M Mio, M-I-E-L-E.
Drew: I don't know how to say it right.
Paul: M-I-E-L-E dishwashers.
Drew: Yeah.
Paul: That is har that is a weird thing to pronounce
Drew: Yeah, now apparently these two brands are the ones to get.
Drew: And within these brands, there are particular models that are just basically universally loved.
Drew: So after doing the research and reading about them and you know reading reviews, which is all just like AI slop now, and then like reading reading Reddit, which by the way, hey, quick sidebar, I spending so much more time on Reddit now
Drew: Me because I'm so sick of the fucking AI slot that ends up everywhere.
Drew: Reddit is like the only place where you get real human interaction anymore.
Drew: And I'm like so close to actually paying for Reddit because of it
Drew: And I swear I would never do that.
Paul: I actually have a uh Ray Cash shortcut that allows me to do a Google search with the site Reddit without so I can just like
Paul: You know, because like it's it's just better.
Paul: You do a Google search, you find all the Reddit posts, and you go from there and you start reading.
Paul: You find you find the one store of Reddit filled with just crazy dishwasher nerds.
Paul: And you dive deep.
Paul: Yep.
Drew: I love it.
Drew: Yep.
Drew: The appliances subreddit.
Drew: Yeah, that's a good place to go.
Drew: So look, long story short, I did buy one.
Drew: It is not here yet.
Drew: So I ended up going with the Bosch 800 series.
Drew: That's what that's literally the one I was looking at.
Drew: Now there now there are there are many different types of the 800 series.
Drew: So you have to be very, very careful with the model number.
Drew: People really like the there's one that that is labeled as ADA compliant.
Drew: And apparently the reason that people like that one
Drew: is that it essentially is manufactured up to the same standards of the ones that are produced in Germany.
Drew: The reason I didn't go with that one though is that it's not the full, it's not full size.
Drew: It'll like you could adjust the feet and you can make it fit in a standard 24-inch cavity or whatever.
Drew: But I didn't end up going with that one.
Drew: I went with a particular model number.
Drew: It's just the Bosch 800 series 24 inch counter, you know, top control builded dishwasher.
Drew: Again, there's a couple variations on whether or not you want a recessed handle or an external handle, if you want stain like a particular stainless steel, or if you want it to match like your cabinets or something.
Drew: But this is the one I ended up going with.
Drew: And and again, a couple a couple cool reasons.
Drew: There's no there's no exposed heating element, which is again the the number one thing I really care about.
Drew: It has three racks.
Drew: The bottom rack is on wheels, but they are sort of like not rails.
Drew: They're basically part of like the sh how do I explain it?
Drew: They're basically just like part of the um the side as opposed to being a separate rail that they can like come out of, if that makes sense.
Paul: Okay.
Drew: Um, yeah, and they're they're big on this crystal dry technology, which again is done without the heating elements.
Drew: It's bosh.
Drew: You know it's gonna last forever.
Drew: Um
Drew: You know, I I would never ever yeah it's it's a nice looking thing.
Drew: So I ended up buying it from Lowe's.
Drew: I'm having them install it.
Drew: Um the one thing that I will tell you though
Drew: Okay.
Drew: And I'm gl I'm glad that um having Lowe's install it.
Drew: Like I know that I could hook up a dishwasher.
Drew: I've seen people do it.
Drew: I know that I can do it
Drew: I just want them the hallway of my old one, which is part of the reason that like I'm paying for the service.
Paul: And plus like mount like getting those brackets under there, under there so it stays
Paul: Right in your car.
Paul: That's a pain in the ass.
Paul: It's always awkward.
Paul: Like just let someone else do that.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Well, so I'll I'll warn you of this.
Drew: How far is your dishwasher from your sink?
Drew: Oh, right beside it.
Drew: Right beside it.
Drew: So right to the right of it.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: So the Bosch dishwashers have a proprietary hose hookup system.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: Now my dishwasher is considered a wraparound.
Drew: Now you've been to my home, like you know where my sink is.
Drew: My dishwasher is like I kind of have like this island that like juts out into my kitchen, and like that's where my dishwasher is.
Drew: And I remember when I had my countertops replaced, I think I told the story on the podcast.
Drew: He hooked up one of the hoses, but apparently like there's an extension hose that he didn't hook up to my sink.
Drew: So like water wound up in my basement.
Drew: It was a whole thing.
Drew: It was a complete accident.
Drew: I didn't know it was there.
Drew: But
Drew: When the when the installer called me to schedule like it's going to be shipped to Lowe's, we'll pick it up, we'll bring it, we'll install it, they're like, you know, which bottle did you get?
Drew: And I told them, and they're like, okay, well, how far is your dishwasher from the sink?
Drew: Because I guess this happens a lot.
Drew: So I had to like order the the special hose extension that goes to this dishwasher, but it was like sixteen bucks.
Drew: It's not the end of the world, but just a cautionary tale that like when you're ordering this
Drew: You know, if you do need le a different hose, like you I guess you have to buy a Bosch one.
Drew: Like there are knockoffs on Amazon, but I'm like, nah
Paul: No.
Paul: I don't want anything with water.
Paul: I want it to fit right.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Universal fits Bosch.
Drew: I'm like, are we sure?
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: That just means you have to like, there's a clamp.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: You have to get tight.
Drew: Clamps all the way down.
Drew: Yeah, so uh here, this is this is the one I ended up getting.
Drew: I'll just put a link in in here.
Drew: Uh uh our install date isn't isn't until the end of the month.
Drew: So this is I like the reps you went with the recess handle.
Paul: That's also what I was thinking about because ours has an external handle and I think it looks really ugly because it's
Paul: just juts out of there.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: Yeah, this is this is I think this is pretty much the one I was thinking about as well.
Drew: Yeah, now let's not carry the lead.
Drew: It's kind of pricey.
Drew: Yeah, yeah.
Drew: I mean yeah, it's fifteen hundred bucks.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Now again, Bosch makes several, you know, just like everything else, they make several tiers of dishwasher, right?
Drew: So I think the 300 series is the cheapest one.
Drew: It's roughly a thousand dollars.
Drew: They have uh they have a no they have a 100 series that is $700.
Drew: They have the 300 series, I think they have a 500 serve series.
Drew: So basically it's like every jump goes up by like two or three hundred dollars.
Drew: Depending on the features you want and the size and all that different stuff.
Drew: And then like, of course, they have like they have like ones that if you have like shaker style cabinets or something and you want it to look like your cabinets, like yeah.
Drew: I mean I the one we have now is a Maytag.
Drew: I will never again buy a Samsung or an LG anything appliance.
Drew: So, you know, I looked at I looked at like Maytag.
Drew: I looked at um
Drew: Bosch, obviously, Whirlpool, you know, a lot of these are all kind of the same dishwasher, but I think Bosch is kind of, you know, up there
Drew: Now that Mile brand, or however you say it, um there are apparently that brand has a cult, kind of like Speed Queen Washers
Drew: You ever talk to somebody that's owned Speed Queen?
Paul: Yeah, they w you'll know about it.
Drew: Yeah, yeah, you'll know about it, right?
Paul: Holy shit.
Paul: Yeah.
Paul: Like three grand for some of these suckers.
Paul: Holy shit
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: But apparently again they run forever and they're like the speed queen of dishwashers is how they've been phrased to me.
Drew: So yeah, so what what's so what are you thinking?
Drew: Like were you gonna do one of these or what?
Drew: I don't know.
Paul: So since you ended up you did the res I I'm only starting to dabble in the research.
Paul: I probably ended up in the same subreddit as you you did.
Paul: Sort of looking at reviews and stuff, and it definitely looked like the Bosch was like like a very well-regarded brand.
Paul: Uh he said it had the in you know and it was nice and like
Paul: It looked nice and it had some of the features I wanted.
Paul: So I was leaning towards one of one of the the the the Bosch as well.
Paul: I'd never even heard of this other one.
Paul: And I had looked at some of like the the Maytag and Whirlpool.
Paul: Then there was this I think it was a Whirlpool
Paul: where like it opens up like you don't have to open it you just like wave your hand at it and it opens automatically and like that's gonna that's gonna break like within like 90 days.
Drew: And see that's and see that's that's that's that's that's our wisdom talking, right?
Drew: There would absolutely be a period of my life where I'm like, I gotta have that.
Drew: Right.
Drew: But now that I'm older and stuff costs way more money.
Paul: Yeah, but it's also like I'm gonna have to bend down to get the dishes out of the fucking thing anyway.
Paul: Right, it's not gonna unload itself.
Paul: No, exactly.
Drew: Until they invent a dishwasher that catapults the plates out of the dishwasher and into my into my cabinets.
Paul: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Paul: Uh
Paul: And I really liked I I liked the the they look good.
Paul: I mean that they're very they're very understated.
Paul: They're not there's not there's not any kind of like branding on the outside.
Paul: All the controls are at the top.
Paul: I like
Paul: that so it just looks like a stainless steel like a a faceless stainless steel block it doesn't draw attention to itself.
Paul: I I really liked these these and I wasn't sure which series I was get getting but
Paul: Uh you buying the 800, it's I think is kind of pushing me in that direction.
Paul: I'll have to run it past the uh the war department, but yeah.
Drew: I mean when I was when I was comparing the different models and the features and everything, I was at a minimum gonna be in the 500 series.
Drew: And then I started like reading about the 800 series, and I'm like, okay, so it's a little more money.
Drew: Might as well, right?
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: Okay, while we're here, while we're here though.
Drew: What do you use in your dishwasher?
Drew: Like what kind of what kind of soap pods or what type of product do you use in your dishwasher?
Paul: I I
Paul: am extremely lazy.
Paul: I use uh they're the they're like the little the little pods.
Drew: Yeah, I think I think that's what they all are now.
Drew: Yeah.
Drew: I don't think that makes sense.
Paul: You still can get that stuff.
Paul: Uh but do you use like do you use like the finish stuff in there?
Paul: Yeah, I I use finish quantum and I do
Paul: I do fill it up with uh jet dry because I do like uh you know, I I don't like I we have a lot of clear glasses and I do not like spots on them.
Drew: Yeah.
Paul: So I do I do use jet dry, the finish name brand stuff, and I use like finish their finish quantum uh uh little little little pods.
Drew: Yeah, I freak out.
Drew: I freak out if there's any residue in anything that comes out of my dishwasher.
Drew: I'm like, well, you're going right back in.
Drew: Like that's the thing that freaks me out.
Paul: That's that's another thing that's been bugging me about dishwasher is uh not every time but recently there'll be like a schmear
Paul: of the pod in the in the the place where it goes, like it didn't get all of it.
Drew: Oh it didn't dissolve all the way.
Paul: Yeah, and I'm like, that shouldn't happen.
Paul: Right.
Paul: What's what's wrong?
Drew: What's wrong?
Drew: Something is wrong.
Drew: So so you the dishwasher you have now is when you bought the house.
Drew: Yes.
Paul: So that's not very old.
Drew: No, it's not.
Paul: It's not and it's it's still
Paul: It's it works, right?
Drew: It works.
Paul: It still works.
Drew: Yeah, my dishwasher still works.
Drew: It doesn't work the way I want it to, but it still works.
Paul: Yeah, I'm just, I just, I don't, it's like I said, the the the ceiling, it's the ceiling starting to go.
Paul: I've had to replace the racks multiple times, like the one I have in the bottom is starting to rust again.
Drew: Uh it's I feel like rust is something a dishwasher shouldn't do.
Paul: No, no, no.
Paul: And it's become increasingly harder to find
Paul: parts for it to get in there to to to feel like it's like I think in between the last time I had bought them or like the first time and second time I bought them
Paul: It it was like it was a different model number, but everyone's like, okay, it's the same size.
Paul: It's it's fine.
Paul: It'll absolutely work.
Paul: Like, well will it?
Paul: Because it's really not.
Paul: They discontinued that model.
Paul: And I'm just kinda I'm just kinda sick of it.
Paul: Like I wish it would just break.
Paul: Uh like like every time like I did have one of the things where it said like like uh hey hey I did like the error code basically mean like I didn't drain as quickly as I thought I was going to drain.
Paul: And I'm like, I hope it's just not the filter.
Paul: I hope it's actually dead.
Paul: I just need to clean the filter.
Paul: By the way, people, your diswasher has the filter, clean it out.
Paul: Yep.
Paul: 100%.
Drew: It's gross.
Paul: You gotta do it.
Drew: It's kinda like cleaning a shower drain.
Drew: Like every once in a while you gotta reach in there.
Drew: It fucking sucks.
Drew: Yeah, I was like, just please be dead.
Paul: Just
Paul: Please be dead.
Paul: No, no, no, no.
Paul: It's still it's still chugging along.
Paul: Uh, but I'm I'm and and I've got I've got permission to the to basically like just
Paul: Yeah, let's just get a new one.
Paul: Get a new one.
Drew: Yeah, so so the dishwasher is gonna be the first appliance I think that's gonna get replaced here since we've moved.
Drew: I have no idea how old the dishwasher is here.
Drew: Um we really like our gas stove.
Drew: Um the microwave might be next.
Drew: Um the fridge the fridge is still working.
Drew: We have a really good fridge.
Drew: Um
Drew: Yeah, I I don't know.
Drew: I I think the micro is probably the next thing we're probably gonna think about.
Drew: Okay.
Drew: But cool.
Drew: Well, uh so I guess we recorded two shows.
Paul: Maybe I'm kind of curious how that's all gonna work, but we'll figure it out.
Paul: Okay.
Paul: Oh, I actually I already have the recordings from the first half.
Paul: So I'll just have another set of I'll have another set of files, I believe.
Paul: We're so good at this ball
Paul: So so yeah, I uh I'll I'll splice that all together and it'll be it'll be a whole show.
Paul: All right.
Drew: Let's get out of here