WEBVTT 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:02.480 How the hell are ya? 00:00:02.480 --> 00:00:03.200 I wanna talk about 00:00:03.440 --> 00:00:05.520 I wanna talk I wanna talk about work for a second. 00:00:05.520 --> 00:00:08.160 Okay, okay, let's talk about work. 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.400 I've been in the workforce for 00:00:11.280 --> 00:00:11.440 uh 00:00:11.680 --> 00:00:12.800 how old am I? 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:15.200 Twenty. 00:00:15.280 --> 00:00:15.440 God 00:00:15.680 --> 00:00:18.400 dude, you're you're a couple years younger than me, so. 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:25.560 I've been in the workforce for over thirty years, 00:00:25.880 --> 00:00:27.160 in some form or another. 00:00:28.040 --> 00:00:28.360 And 00:00:29.840 --> 00:00:30.160 I 00:00:31.040 --> 00:00:33.040 have a fancy job title. 00:00:33.040 --> 00:00:34.880 What is your title? 00:00:34.880 --> 00:00:35.200 My 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:38.400 official title is Senior Solutions Architect. 00:00:38.440 --> 00:00:39.719 Which is kind of a big deal. 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:40.040 Like 00:00:40.680 --> 00:00:48.520 a lot of organizations, you know, you sort of have the entry-level stuff, the junior level, the regular level, the senior level, the leader principal level. 00:00:49.140 --> 00:00:49.700 Yeah. 00:00:49.700 --> 00:00:54.660 I've been on a career trajectory uh probably longer than I should have been for like a principal type title. 00:00:54.660 --> 00:00:54.900 Um 00:00:55.140 --> 00:00:56.420 that's not what I'm bitching about. 00:00:56.420 --> 00:00:57.620 What I'm bitching about is 00:00:57.780 --> 00:01:02.020 I have this really fancy title, but what I really am is a janitor. 00:01:02.100 --> 00:01:02.980 That's what I am. 00:01:03.380 --> 00:01:04.420 I'm a janitor, Paul. 00:01:04.420 --> 00:01:05.780 I'm a janitor who 00:01:06.100 --> 00:01:08.180 cleans up messes 00:01:09.460 --> 00:01:09.780 that 00:01:11.140 --> 00:01:12.820 I create this giant sign. 00:01:12.820 --> 00:01:14.740 I create this giant sign. 00:01:14.820 --> 00:01:17.060 It says, don't shit here. 00:01:17.460 --> 00:01:18.900 It literally says just don't 00:01:19.140 --> 00:01:20.420 don't poop here. 00:01:20.420 --> 00:01:21.780 Don't poop right here. 00:01:21.780 --> 00:01:23.700 This is a no-shitting area. 00:01:23.700 --> 00:01:24.020 And 00:01:26.240 --> 00:01:26.880 I love 00:01:27.119 --> 00:01:30.320 I love the people I work with and I love the things that I do. 00:01:30.320 --> 00:01:31.840 But you know what they do, Paul? 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:33.039 Do they shit there? 00:01:33.039 --> 00:01:34.159 They shit right there. 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.759 They shit right in the exact spot you told them not to shit in. 00:01:38.180 --> 00:01:40.020 And then you have to first 00:01:40.180 --> 00:01:43.140 clean up the shit, and then you have to have a post 00:01:43.300 --> 00:01:44.660 mortem on the shit. 00:01:44.660 --> 00:01:48.420 And you have to talk about why it was a bad idea to shit there. 00:01:48.220 --> 00:01:48.620 Yeah. 00:01:48.620 --> 00:01:49.900 And you know what you're not allowed to do? 00:01:49.900 --> 00:01:51.180 You know what you're not allowed to do? 00:01:51.180 --> 00:01:51.980 Say don't you say 00:01:52.140 --> 00:01:53.500 tell everybody that you told them not to 00:01:53.900 --> 00:01:54.060 shit? 00:01:54.220 --> 00:01:55.260 You're not allowed to point that out. 00:01:55.260 --> 00:01:58.540 You're not allowed to be the guy that says that you told him not to shit there. 00:01:58.780 --> 00:01:59.980 That should never come up. 00:01:59.980 --> 00:02:01.820 Everybody should just ignore that 00:02:01.960 --> 00:02:05.160 And focus on not repeating the shitting. 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.560 It's like 88% of my job. 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:10.520 It's like 88 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:10.840 % 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:11.880 of it. 00:02:12.580 --> 00:02:12.819 So 00:02:14.739 --> 00:02:14.819 when 00:02:14.980 --> 00:02:18.340 somebody who's been doing this for a long time makes that suggestion. 00:02:19.920 --> 00:02:21.360 At least acknowledge it. 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:22.080 Acknowledge it. 00:02:22.720 --> 00:02:23.280 Acknowledge it. 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:24.320 That's all. 00:02:24.320 --> 00:02:24.800 That's all. 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.040 It's not it's not people being smug. 00:02:27.040 --> 00:02:28.640 It's not people being 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:30.360 Jerks about it, it's just 00:02:30.760 --> 00:02:31.800 ston't don't shit 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:33.160 where I tell you not to shit. 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:33.800 You know? 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:35.320 And 00:02:36.200 --> 00:02:36.520 I 00:02:37.320 --> 00:02:43.480 What I've realized is that at my advanced age of forty-six, that if if my company were to say, Hey 00:02:43.640 --> 00:02:44.280 Drew 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:45.920 That's enough. 00:02:45.920 --> 00:02:46.960 Go go away. 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:47.440 Go away. 00:02:47.440 --> 00:02:48.720 Go do something else. 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:51.360 I think what I would basically tell people 00:02:51.600 --> 00:02:51.920 is 00:02:52.400 --> 00:02:52.640 people 00:02:52.880 --> 00:02:56.240 aren't gonna hire me for what I know. 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:59.760 People are gonna hire me for what I've seen. 00:02:59.500 --> 00:03:00.140 Okay. 00:03:00.140 --> 00:03:00.700 Yeah. 00:03:00.700 --> 00:03:01.500 Yeah. 00:03:01.500 --> 00:03:01.580 At 00:03:01.740 --> 00:03:04.780 that is that is a certain kind of experience 00:03:05.100 --> 00:03:05.420 that 00:03:06.620 --> 00:03:07.580 is useful 00:03:08.300 --> 00:03:08.620 because 00:03:09.740 --> 00:03:10.060 Th there 00:03:10.220 --> 00:03:10.540 's only 00:03:10.780 --> 00:03:14.940 so many ways to design something. 00:03:14.940 --> 00:03:17.740 There's usually one really bad way to do something 00:03:20.200 --> 00:03:24.200 There's lots of bad ways to do something, but there's like the ultimate bad way to do something. 00:03:24.200 --> 00:03:26.360 And I've seen a lot of those. 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:30.519 And I feel like if I can help organizations just not do that 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:33.920 I could eke out a living until retirement. 00:03:35.760 --> 00:03:37.120 I really truly feel that way 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:37.920 susceptible. 00:03:37.920 --> 00:03:39.040 How are you? 00:03:39.920 --> 00:03:40.240 I 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:40.880 am 00:03:43.020 --> 00:03:44.140 Just utterly 00:03:44.300 --> 00:03:45.260 I'm I'm exhausted. 00:03:45.500 --> 00:03:46.620 I'm drained is what I am. 00:03:46.620 --> 00:03:48.460 I'm completely, completely drained. 00:03:48.460 --> 00:03:49.100 Let's talk about it. 00:03:49.100 --> 00:03:49.900 What's going on with it? 00:03:50.220 --> 00:03:50.620 No. 00:03:50.620 --> 00:03:51.420 It's just that 00:03:51.580 --> 00:03:51.900 uh 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:54.879 So 00:03:55.200 --> 00:03:57.200 okay, I work from home 00:03:57.520 --> 00:03:57.840 because 00:03:58.080 --> 00:03:58.640 that's my 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:00.160 that's my choice. 00:04:00.160 --> 00:04:04.160 Uh I enjoy not having to spend over an hour in the car every day. 00:04:04.299 --> 00:04:04.620 Ah 00:04:05.180 --> 00:04:05.420 well 00:04:05.579 --> 00:04:06.299 for last week 00:04:06.459 --> 00:04:08.620 and this week and then a few days next week. 00:04:08.620 --> 00:04:10.939 I have been in the office every day this week. 00:04:10.939 --> 00:04:11.819 We're doing a big project. 00:04:11.819 --> 00:04:12.780 It's actually very exciting. 00:04:12.780 --> 00:04:12.939 I'm 00:04:13.260 --> 00:04:14.780 the project itself is really good. 00:04:14.780 --> 00:04:17.100 I'm super excited to be there and do it. 00:04:17.100 --> 00:04:18.220 It's just like 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:20.000 the whole 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:20.479 like 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:22.320 getting up 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:22.880 and 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:23.840 you know 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:24.320 like 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:26.720 getting ready and putting on a polo 00:04:26.880 --> 00:04:27.600 shirt and 00:04:27.940 --> 00:04:33.380 taking my coffee to go and sitting in the car for 30 minutes and then being, you know, like 00:04:33.700 --> 00:04:38.100 when I'm home, if I need to like step away for a bit, like there's nobody around. 00:04:37.960 --> 00:04:39.560 that's not the case at work. 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:41.800 There's people around all the time. 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:42.120 Oh 00:04:42.599 --> 00:04:44.759 and it's just it's just like I'm 00:04:45.080 --> 00:04:52.759 at my heart I'm an introvert, or at least I'm like I have those tendencies and I just haven't not had enough time to recharge. 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:56.280 My batteries, you know, so I'm really looking forward to this weekend and relaxing 00:04:56.520 --> 00:04:57.159 and uh 00:04:57.879 --> 00:04:59.000 Yeah, but 00:04:59.840 --> 00:05:01.360 Yeah, I'm taking tomorrow off. 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:02.560 I'm taking tomorrow off. 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:02.880 Yeah, I 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:03.120 would 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:04.240 I 00:05:05.200 --> 00:05:06.080 yeah, I have 00:05:06.640 --> 00:05:08.080 I had a really uh 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:09.680 eventful week last week. 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:11.440 I was I was actually working 00:05:11.560 --> 00:05:15.880 last week, but I had to go to Florida, I had to go to South Carolina, had to take care of some family stuff. 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.440 Not not that I really want to go into right now, but uh 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:20.120 we can talk about it offline. 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:22.440 But it was it was a really draining week. 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:22.520 Um 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:26.040 I did get to spend some time with family, which is always good, but it really wasn't time 00:05:26.200 --> 00:05:26.520 off. 00:05:26.520 --> 00:05:27.000 Let's just put it on. 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:28.600 Depends on the family. 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:30.360 I think that's fair. 00:05:30.360 --> 00:05:30.600 I think 00:05:31.080 --> 00:05:32.040 that's that's fair. 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:32.920 That's fair. 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:33.960 Yeah. 00:05:35.180 --> 00:05:36.300 Okay, so 00:05:36.460 --> 00:05:38.300 since we last talked, 00:05:38.940 --> 00:05:39.419 Apple 00:05:39.660 --> 00:05:41.580 Apple made some news. 00:05:41.580 --> 00:05:42.620 They sure did. 00:05:42.620 --> 00:05:43.979 They sure did, Drew. 00:05:43.979 --> 00:05:44.620 Yep. 00:05:44.620 --> 00:05:46.380 I want to talk about it. 00:05:46.139 --> 00:05:47.180 You want to talk about the iPhone 00:05:47.340 --> 00:05:48.060 Duo? 00:05:48.060 --> 00:05:49.660 I want to talk about the iPhone Duo. 00:05:49.660 --> 00:05:49.979 Okay. 00:05:50.300 --> 00:05:51.660 I also want to talk about the iPhone 00:05:51.820 --> 00:05:52.220 duo. 00:05:52.220 --> 00:05:52.300 So 00:05:53.340 --> 00:05:54.300 before we get into this 00:05:55.320 --> 00:05:55.640 I 00:05:55.960 --> 00:05:56.280 am 00:05:56.600 --> 00:05:57.560 due. 00:05:57.640 --> 00:05:58.680 You are due. 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.800 For a new phone. 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:05.320 And I actually always forget what kind of iPhone I have. 00:06:05.320 --> 00:06:07.400 I believe you have the 16 Pro. 00:06:06.900 --> 00:06:08.100 I have a 16 Pro. 00:06:08.100 --> 00:06:10.979 I just I oh I had to open up the actual settings app to confirm 00:06:11.139 --> 00:06:13.060 because I couldn't remember if I had a 15, a 16. 00:06:13.060 --> 00:06:14.500 I know I didn't have a 17. 00:06:14.580 --> 00:06:19.780 One of my many skills is trek keeping track of what phones people that I know have. 00:06:20.100 --> 00:06:23.220 I can tell you somebody that I know who has an iPhone 10. 00:06:23.220 --> 00:06:23.540 So 00:06:24.180 --> 00:06:24.660 Yeah. 00:06:24.660 --> 00:06:25.140 Yeah. 00:06:25.140 --> 00:06:25.780 I have uh I 00:06:26.020 --> 00:06:26.580 I have a friend. 00:06:26.580 --> 00:06:29.140 He's not a listener to the podcast, so I guess he's not really a friend. 00:06:29.140 --> 00:06:29.700 But he 00:06:29.940 --> 00:06:33.460 he was actually forced to upgrade his phone for work 00:06:34.520 --> 00:06:35.800 Because the the newer 00:06:36.039 --> 00:06:37.080 version of like 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:37.800 Intune 00:06:37.960 --> 00:06:38.440 or something 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:42.039 didn't support that version of iOS and he couldn't upgrade. 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:45.400 So your phone is two years old, which is typic 00:06:45.640 --> 00:06:51.560 that when the typical American upgrades their phone is every two years, every two to three years, but we're nerds. 00:06:51.560 --> 00:06:56.200 I mean, I've been upgrading my phone every year since the 10th, so I have a problem 00:06:56.780 --> 00:06:58.780 I can't quite commit to 00:06:59.020 --> 00:07:00.060 a yearly upgrade. 00:07:00.300 --> 00:07:00.620 Okay. 00:07:00.620 --> 00:07:00.940 Yeah. 00:07:00.940 --> 00:07:01.099 This 00:07:01.259 --> 00:07:02.539 I have not ordered anything. 00:07:02.539 --> 00:07:03.740 I'm still on my 17 00:07:03.900 --> 00:07:04.060 Pro 00:07:04.220 --> 00:07:04.940 because it is 00:07:05.340 --> 00:07:07.020 Orange and I loved it so much. 00:07:07.020 --> 00:07:07.260 I love 00:07:07.420 --> 00:07:09.100 it so much I took the case off of it. 00:07:09.100 --> 00:07:09.740 So you can see 00:07:09.900 --> 00:07:10.060 orange 00:07:10.220 --> 00:07:11.180 phone all the time. 00:07:11.180 --> 00:07:11.500 Now granted 00:07:11.820 --> 00:07:12.620 the orange phone. 00:07:12.620 --> 00:07:13.500 I did this because I can 00:07:13.740 --> 00:07:15.420 put my pop socket on there and have a nice 00:07:15.660 --> 00:07:17.420 nice little handhold. 00:07:16.940 --> 00:07:18.300 I cannot believe you're a pop 00:07:18.540 --> 00:07:19.340 socket person. 00:07:19.340 --> 00:07:21.020 I cannot believe you're a pop 00:07:21.180 --> 00:07:21.740 socket person. 00:07:22.060 --> 00:07:23.420 My wife was right on this case. 00:07:23.420 --> 00:07:25.180 Pop sockets are great. 00:07:25.180 --> 00:07:26.140 Okay. 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:26.360 Okay. 00:07:27.080 --> 00:07:27.879 The magnetic pop 00:07:28.039 --> 00:07:28.919 suck in particular. 00:07:28.919 --> 00:07:30.440 The ones that stick on permanently suck. 00:07:30.440 --> 00:07:31.560 But you gotta get the ones that are magnetic. 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:32.520 Don't put stickers on your phone. 00:07:32.520 --> 00:07:33.000 Don't do that. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:34.120 You can put stickers on your laptop. 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:35.479 Don't put stickers on your phone. 00:07:35.620 --> 00:07:36.340 Okay, so 00:07:36.500 --> 00:07:38.259 Apple has this new thing, the iPhone 00:07:38.419 --> 00:07:38.900 Duo. 00:07:38.900 --> 00:07:40.340 It's a foldable phone. 00:07:43.300 --> 00:07:44.020 Okay. 00:07:44.020 --> 00:07:44.340 So 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:46.080 Where 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:48.240 ya at on this? 00:07:48.240 --> 00:07:50.080 Is this for you? 00:07:50.640 --> 00:07:50.960 I 00:07:52.080 --> 00:07:52.960 don't 00:07:53.280 --> 00:07:53.600 know 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:55.200 yet. 00:07:56.080 --> 00:07:56.240 I 00:07:56.400 --> 00:07:56.480 c 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:57.520 okay. 00:07:57.520 --> 00:07:59.200 If we're talking about 00:08:00.080 --> 00:08:01.520 ordering, is 00:08:01.840 --> 00:08:03.760 i is there gonna be an iPhone 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:06.560 duo purchase in the Baylor household? 00:08:06.820 --> 00:08:10.980 I think the answer to that question is yes. 00:08:11.060 --> 00:08:13.140 Okay. 00:08:13.140 --> 00:08:13.460 I 00:08:14.100 --> 00:08:14.420 think 00:08:15.380 --> 00:08:15.700 my 00:08:16.020 --> 00:08:18.020 wife would love it. 00:08:18.540 --> 00:08:19.580 Okay. 00:08:19.660 --> 00:08:20.620 She is uh 00:08:20.780 --> 00:08:21.340 she is a big 00:08:21.900 --> 00:08:22.300 phone person. 00:08:22.300 --> 00:08:22.860 She's a big phone 00:08:23.020 --> 00:08:24.300 she's a big phone girl. 00:08:24.300 --> 00:08:24.780 She likes the 00:08:24.940 --> 00:08:25.979 she likes to Pro Max. 00:08:25.979 --> 00:08:26.620 She's on a 16 00:08:26.780 --> 00:08:26.860 Pro 00:08:27.020 --> 00:08:27.419 Max. 00:08:27.419 --> 00:08:27.580 She' 00:08:27.820 --> 00:08:28.300 at the same 00:08:28.540 --> 00:08:31.100 same age as you, she did not upgrade last year 00:08:31.580 --> 00:08:31.900 I 00:08:32.220 --> 00:08:32.539 think 00:08:32.780 --> 00:08:36.539 the iPhone duo will be purchased and offered to her first. 00:08:36.539 --> 00:08:41.740 If she declines it, then I may use it, and if I do not like it, I can always return it. 00:08:41.820 --> 00:08:43.580 I am not committed to this. 00:08:43.580 --> 00:08:44.060 I have 00:08:44.300 --> 00:08:49.660 literally like a month in between when the pre-orders start to think about this and change my mind. 00:08:49.660 --> 00:08:50.300 I am 00:08:50.700 --> 00:08:53.580 I do not know if I'm a folding phone person. 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:54.600 And 00:08:54.920 --> 00:08:58.920 to be completely honest, like the hardware, hardware leaks. 00:08:58.920 --> 00:09:00.839 Almost everything about the hardware leaks. 00:09:00.839 --> 00:09:04.279 The only thing that didn't leak was like the nanotexture display. 00:09:04.400 --> 00:09:06.160 Everything but the hardware leaks. 00:09:06.160 --> 00:09:07.760 Looking at the hardware, 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:13.360 when I'm looking at all the rumors and leaks, I was like, meh. 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:14.000 And then 00:09:15.640 --> 00:09:16.360 Samsung 00:09:16.680 --> 00:09:17.800 announced their 00:09:18.040 --> 00:09:18.920 or the release 00:09:19.160 --> 00:09:28.520 their passport style folding folding phone because everyone knew what Apple was gonna do, the aspect ratio, so all of the Android manufacturers came to market with Passport 00:09:28.839 --> 00:09:29.079 the put 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.000 the folio, the the short and squat 00:09:31.160 --> 00:09:31.959 folding phones 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:32.759 first. 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:33.000 And 00:09:33.160 --> 00:09:34.040 while I'm not 00:09:34.199 --> 00:09:35.880 I'm not very big into 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:38.759 the Android rumor or news. 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:40.199 I'm a big fan of The Verge. 00:09:40.199 --> 00:09:42.199 I do listen to some of The Verge's podcasts. 00:09:42.199 --> 00:09:44.360 And they had some Android folks on 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:44.839 there. 00:09:44.839 --> 00:09:50.600 And they and they basically said, like, we've been using folding phones since they came out. 00:09:50.980 --> 00:09:53.140 That's this size, this passport 00:09:53.540 --> 00:09:54.020 style 00:09:54.180 --> 00:09:55.060 short squat 00:09:55.220 --> 00:09:56.420 book kind of thing 00:09:56.660 --> 00:09:59.700 is the best folding form, best folding phone 00:09:59.860 --> 00:10:01.060 form factor they have had 00:10:01.220 --> 00:10:03.140 they have experienced. 00:10:02.959 --> 00:10:04.800 They're like, yeah, they're copying Apple. 00:10:04.800 --> 00:10:06.640 Apple figured out what the size of a photos 00:10:06.800 --> 00:10:07.360 phone should be. 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:08.320 This thing is great. 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:08.399 So 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:12.160 when that happened, I was like, oh, okay. 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:18.600 And then I watch the keynote, and god damn it, does that software not look freaking amazing? 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:19.640 Yeah. 00:10:19.640 --> 00:10:20.280 Yeah 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:25.960 When they had the little animation of opening it and it looks like it's translucent 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:27.320 and you can see through the like 00:10:27.480 --> 00:10:27.880 looks like 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:30.200 you can see through it and then it like 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:32.440 I was like 00:10:32.560 --> 00:10:33.280 Huh. 00:10:33.280 --> 00:10:34.640 Well look at that. 00:10:34.640 --> 00:10:37.600 And the fact that they didn't just port iOS. 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:39.200 They're like, oh, we considered 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:39.840 we consider 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:41.360 the whole design paradigm. 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.720 We moved a whole bunch of stuff over to the side instead of the bottom. 00:10:44.540 --> 00:10:45.500 And I was like, 00:10:45.820 --> 00:10:47.899 well, god damn it, Apple, you did it again. 00:10:47.899 --> 00:10:49.339 You did it again. 00:10:50.620 --> 00:10:52.060 Now what are what are you feel 00:10:52.300 --> 00:10:55.899 what are your general feelings about the folding phone, Drew? 00:10:55.820 --> 00:10:56.060 So 00:10:56.380 --> 00:11:00.220 I have never been a proponent of a folding phone. 00:11:00.220 --> 00:11:03.020 I want a phone that fits in my pocket well. 00:11:03.020 --> 00:11:07.660 I want to be able to pull it out, open it up, look at it, unlock it, use it, whatever. 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:07.760 So there's a 00:11:07.920 --> 00:11:12.800 there's a few things that immediately put me off about the foldable phone. 00:11:12.800 --> 00:11:13.520 Not to mention 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:16.080 not to mention the design of the fold, right? 00:11:16.220 --> 00:11:17.100 So the first thing is 00:11:17.260 --> 00:11:18.380 there's gonna be no 00:11:18.620 --> 00:11:18.940 uh 00:11:19.420 --> 00:11:19.580 it's 00:11:19.740 --> 00:11:21.020 it's all gonna be touch ID. 00:11:21.020 --> 00:11:21.660 It's not gonna be 00:11:22.380 --> 00:11:25.180 Yeah, there's no face ID, it's just touch ID on the button. 00:11:25.180 --> 00:11:25.340 Or 00:11:25.580 --> 00:11:29.340 if you wear an Apple Watch, it'll unlock if you're wearing your watch. 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:29.800 Yeah. 00:11:29.800 --> 00:11:31.080 Is that the end of the world? 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:31.800 No, it's not. 00:11:31.800 --> 00:11:32.360 It's not. 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:36.520 And I get it because for it to work well, they would have to put two 00:11:37.400 --> 00:11:37.560 face 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:40.280 IDs, one on the inside and one on the but 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:41.000 the front. 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:41.480 I get it. 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:42.600 I get it. 00:11:42.880 --> 00:11:43.360 Yeah. 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:43.840 The other thing 00:11:44.000 --> 00:11:54.000 the other thing when I'm kind of looking at the specs and and reading all of the press that's come out about this, I don't think it has a good camera like the 18 Pro is going to. 00:11:53.860 --> 00:11:53.940 have 00:11:54.180 --> 00:11:59.620 it has no it does not and it has the pretty much the exact same phone as the the camera as the seventeen 00:11:59.780 --> 00:12:01.860 E, which is like 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:03.360 this year's low-end 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:04.000 phone. 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:06.640 It's it's a perfectly f fine camera. 00:12:06.640 --> 00:12:07.360 It's just it is 00:12:07.520 --> 00:12:07.840 it is 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:09.280 not the best. 00:12:09.280 --> 00:12:09.920 It only 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:10.880 has the 00:12:11.040 --> 00:12:12.640 the normal camera 00:12:12.880 --> 00:12:14.240 and the wide angle. 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.960 It does not have a telephoto camera at all. 00:12:16.640 --> 00:12:18.000 Yeah, so the cameras are a little 00:12:18.160 --> 00:12:18.720 yeah. 00:12:18.800 --> 00:12:24.080 There was a period of my life where I had a nice DSLR camera and I would take that around and I would take pictures. 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:24.960 I don't think 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:26.720 as a society we have to do that anymore. 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:29.280 I think we have really, really good cameras in our pockets. 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:30.399 And 00:12:30.640 --> 00:12:32.959 I like to take pictures of my sweet precious angel 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:33.519 Vito 00:12:33.680 --> 00:12:36.880 and I like to take pictures when I go on vacation and I like to take pictures when I'm out about 00:12:37.040 --> 00:12:37.360 with friends 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:38.399 and at the range. 00:12:38.740 --> 00:12:39.460 So I don't 00:12:39.620 --> 00:12:40.100 I I 00:12:40.260 --> 00:12:40.900 I kinda 00:12:41.060 --> 00:12:42.340 want the better camera. 00:12:42.340 --> 00:12:43.780 Do I need the 18 Pro 00:12:44.020 --> 00:12:44.900 camera? 00:12:45.220 --> 00:12:46.100 Maybe not. 00:12:46.100 --> 00:12:49.300 Maybe a regular iPhone 18 camera would be fine for me. 00:12:49.300 --> 00:12:52.100 But I d I do like the extra bells and whistles of 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:53.160 The 18 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:53.640 Pro. 00:12:53.640 --> 00:12:57.480 The one thing that I couldn't figure out and I didn't have time to research before 00:12:58.520 --> 00:12:58.840 the 00:12:59.000 --> 00:12:59.960 the show 00:13:00.440 --> 00:13:00.760 is 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:03.880 the last few iPhone Pros have had um 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:05.400 Not variable refresh 00:13:05.560 --> 00:13:06.120 bait, but what is it 00:13:06.280 --> 00:13:07.080 what does Apple call it? 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:07.560 Promotion. 00:13:07.640 --> 00:13:07.880 It's not 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:08.600 promotion. 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:08.920 Yeah. 00:13:08.920 --> 00:13:09.560 Promotion. 00:13:09.560 --> 00:13:09.880 Yeah. 00:13:09.880 --> 00:13:10.600 Yeah. 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:12.200 The duo doesn't have that, right? 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:13.240 No, it does it does. 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:13.800 Oh it does. 00:13:13.800 --> 00:13:14.040 Okay. 00:13:14.280 --> 00:13:14.600 Every phone 00:13:14.760 --> 00:13:17.560 every phone Apple sells currently has it. 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:17.720 Okay. 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:18.920 That was the other thing too, because 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:21.720 now that now that I've seen that, I don't think I could unsee it. 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:22.440 Yeah. 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:23.320 Yeah. 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:23.800 And uh 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:27.480 friend of the show, Brent Ozar, you know, he does a lot of travel to Asia. 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.520 He goes to China, he goes to Japan a lot 00:13:30.640 --> 00:13:33.600 Apparently, foldables are kind of a big deal. 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.360 Kind of a big deal overseas. 00:13:35.760 --> 00:13:39.280 They are a much bigger, bigger percentage of the market in 00:13:39.520 --> 00:13:42.480 like Asian countries than they are in the United States. 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:42.240 Yeah. 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:42.480 Yeah, so 00:13:42.880 --> 00:13:43.280 even even 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:43.840 Europe. 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:44.240 Yeah. 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:44.800 Yeah. 00:13:44.800 --> 00:13:45.280 I I don't 00:13:45.440 --> 00:13:49.360 I don't know but I I I can't speak to Europe, but his in his travels 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:49.840 uh 00:13:50.020 --> 00:13:51.380 in, you know, Asia. 00:13:51.380 --> 00:13:52.580 Seems like that's a really popp 00:13:52.820 --> 00:13:52.980 uh 00:13:53.140 --> 00:13:54.020 popular thing. 00:13:54.020 --> 00:13:54.180 And 00:13:54.420 --> 00:14:00.020 as much as Samsung was I think the first kind of company in the States to break into the foldable phone market, I think Highway 00:14:00.180 --> 00:14:01.380 or Hawaii or however you say them. 00:14:01.380 --> 00:14:01.540 Yeah. 00:14:01.700 --> 00:14:03.300 I think they were technically the first 00:14:03.500 --> 00:14:03.820 Yeah. 00:14:04.300 --> 00:14:09.980 I would say like right now, like yes, Google has them, but if you have a foldable phone in the States, it's a Samsung device. 00:14:09.980 --> 00:14:11.660 Like nobody buys the pixel phones. 00:14:11.660 --> 00:14:13.660 I'm sorry Google, but nobody buys your phones. 00:14:13.660 --> 00:14:14.940 Nobody really buys one. 00:14:14.940 --> 00:14:16.860 Except except my former AU 00:14:17.020 --> 00:14:18.460 who worked at Google. 00:14:18.420 --> 00:14:18.820 Yeah, yeah. 00:14:18.820 --> 00:14:19.460 I'll give it back. 00:14:19.620 --> 00:14:22.500 I mean they sell some of them, but compared to Samsung, they're they're not. 00:14:22.660 --> 00:14:23.540 Oh yeah, no, they're 00:14:23.700 --> 00:14:25.460 yeah, they're not they're not anywhere. 00:14:26.500 --> 00:14:27.140 Okay, so 00:14:27.300 --> 00:14:28.340 anyway. 00:14:28.340 --> 00:14:28.660 Um 00:14:29.860 --> 00:14:30.180 I 00:14:30.500 --> 00:14:33.700 saw the keynote, I saw the announcement, and I'm just like, 00:14:33.940 --> 00:14:36.100 I don't think I really need a foldable phone. 00:14:36.100 --> 00:14:37.779 But over the past few days 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.440 Everybody has their hot takes on YouTube 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:40.000 now. 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:40.240 People 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:42.160 put out reviews and have had the device 00:14:42.319 --> 00:14:43.440 and have given impressions. 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:45.440 And I gotta say, it doesn't look bad. 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:45.680 Yeah. 00:14:45.680 --> 00:14:46.319 And I will say 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:46.880 Apple 00:14:47.040 --> 00:14:50.240 Apple does something really smart because usually what they do 00:14:50.560 --> 00:14:50.880 is 00:14:51.620 --> 00:14:54.980 Generally speaking, on keynote day, there's like no embargo. 00:14:54.980 --> 00:14:58.339 You can get your hands on the device, you can put anything you want on there. 00:14:58.339 --> 00:15:01.140 Then after that day, you're basically embargoed. 00:15:01.140 --> 00:15:04.500 Because they may give you a test device and you're embargoed until whatever date they say. 00:15:04.500 --> 00:15:05.140 So your view will 00:15:05.300 --> 00:15:05.700 all come out 00:15:05.860 --> 00:15:06.740 the same time. 00:15:06.740 --> 00:15:08.020 What Apple did 00:15:08.260 --> 00:15:12.660 is they gave key content creators a loan time. 00:15:12.640 --> 00:15:15.440 In rooms, not inside the big area. 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:16.240 Oh, oh. 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:16.560 You're be 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:17.360 you've been you've been 00:15:17.520 --> 00:15:18.080 uh yeah. 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:18.800 Am I back? 00:15:18.800 --> 00:15:19.280 I was trying 00:15:19.680 --> 00:15:20.240 you're back now. 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:20.480 I'm at 00:15:20.640 --> 00:15:20.960 99 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:21.200 % 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:22.400 chunks. 00:15:21.980 --> 00:15:23.660 Yeah, I'm at ninety-eight. 00:15:23.660 --> 00:15:25.180 Your video's been a little 00:15:25.340 --> 00:15:26.780 jagged for me. 00:15:26.780 --> 00:15:30.060 Uh, but I don't know, Riverside's being Riverside. 00:15:30.060 --> 00:15:30.620 Uh 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.200 Basically, they gave these content creators 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:34.640 like, uh-oh. 00:15:34.640 --> 00:15:35.680 No, that was me. 00:15:35.680 --> 00:15:36.240 That was me. 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:36.880 I did that. 00:15:36.880 --> 00:15:38.240 I did that. 00:15:38.240 --> 00:15:41.120 I was trying to figure out if I could like adjust my um 00:15:41.540 --> 00:15:41.860 Yeah. 00:15:41.860 --> 00:15:44.019 If I could adjust like my settings or something to make it. 00:15:46.180 --> 00:15:49.380 This is gonna be a 1080p episode because I forgot to change it to 4K. 00:15:49.380 --> 00:15:49.459 God 00:15:49.620 --> 00:15:50.180 damn it. 00:15:50.180 --> 00:15:50.500 That's fine. 00:15:50.580 --> 00:15:50.980 That's all right. 00:15:52.820 --> 00:15:53.620 Nobody watches. 00:15:54.180 --> 00:15:54.820 This isn't 00:15:54.980 --> 00:15:55.940 for you. 00:15:55.880 --> 00:15:56.680 They gave 00:15:56.840 --> 00:15:57.400 basically 00:15:57.560 --> 00:15:59.960 they gave the key content creators like 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:05.480 alone time in little quiet rooms for them and their teams to get some really good videos and hands-on 00:16:05.640 --> 00:16:08.200 time with the duo that they can record and stream. 00:16:07.780 --> 00:16:09.220 And I have watched a lot of those. 00:16:09.220 --> 00:16:11.060 Pretty much that they're pretty much that's my TikTok 00:16:11.220 --> 00:16:11.460 on them 00:16:11.700 --> 00:16:15.060 these days is people just with hot takes on the iPhone duos. 00:16:15.140 --> 00:16:16.420 I think that was really smart on Apple. 00:16:16.420 --> 00:16:18.420 They knew they had something special. 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:22.800 They wanted a media since they wanted all the content creators to produce videos and stuff. 00:16:22.800 --> 00:16:24.240 So yeah, so far it's 00:16:24.400 --> 00:16:25.840 yeah, it's 00:16:26.420 --> 00:16:28.339 Their marketing has been really spot on for this. 00:16:28.339 --> 00:16:28.660 Yeah. 00:16:28.660 --> 00:16:32.420 And I would say that, you know, most of the reviews I've watched have been pretty favorable. 00:16:32.420 --> 00:16:32.579 Yeah. 00:16:32.819 --> 00:16:35.300 I mean people people have some complaints and that's I think 00:16:35.540 --> 00:16:36.180 natural. 00:16:36.180 --> 00:16:38.500 But I think overall impressions have been really good 00:16:38.839 --> 00:16:45.319 The one thing that I've heard multiple reviewers comment on is like, hey, I have tried foldable phones and there's always like that little bit of lag 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:46.519 when you open it when it has to 00:16:46.580 --> 00:16:47.220 catch up and everything. 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:48.100 It seems like Apple really know 00:16:48.260 --> 00:16:49.220 what the transition 00:16:49.380 --> 00:16:49.700 , 00:16:49.940 --> 00:16:54.660 the different ways you can use the fold for like the alarm clock and the media controls and things like that. 00:16:54.660 --> 00:16:55.940 Like it's it's very 00:16:56.180 --> 00:16:56.500 Clever. 00:16:56.500 --> 00:16:56.660 It's 00:16:57.060 --> 00:16:57.620 how it works. 00:16:57.940 --> 00:17:00.180 You can put it as a tent or a little laptop 00:17:00.339 --> 00:17:00.740 or like 00:17:00.899 --> 00:17:01.220 yeah. 00:17:01.220 --> 00:17:01.459 Yeah. 00:17:01.459 --> 00:17:02.180 It's just cute. 00:17:02.180 --> 00:17:02.980 Which Android phones 00:17:03.139 --> 00:17:03.620 do that too. 00:17:03.620 --> 00:17:06.260 It's not that's not a new idea, but yeah. 00:17:06.339 --> 00:17:08.339 It's very it's very clever. 00:17:08.339 --> 00:17:08.980 It is. 00:17:08.980 --> 00:17:09.620 It is 00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:09.960 I 00:17:10.360 --> 00:17:11.160 and all the little 00:17:11.320 --> 00:17:12.280 yeah, yeah. 00:17:12.280 --> 00:17:13.880 I don't think it's for me. 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:15.400 I I yeah I I want it. 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:16.760 I I do want it. 00:17:16.760 --> 00:17:17.080 I do 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:18.040 want it. 00:17:18.040 --> 00:17:18.840 Yeah. 00:17:18.840 --> 00:17:19.160 But 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.280 if this is the year Drew upgrades his iPhone 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:23.079 Okay. 00:17:23.079 --> 00:17:27.399 I I am in the camp now where I'm never gonna subsidize a phone number again. 00:17:27.399 --> 00:17:29.240 So I'm going to pay cash. 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:30.679 I'm gonna buy it flat out. 00:17:30.679 --> 00:17:31.880 I'm I'm in a position to do that. 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:32.519 I know what I report. 00:17:32.679 --> 00:17:33.480 Welcome to the club. 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:33.880 Yep. 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:34.519 Yep. 00:17:34.919 --> 00:17:37.080 It's a precision of privilege, but it's nice. 00:17:37.080 --> 00:17:39.080 It gives you all the options, all the flexibility you ever 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:39.320 have. 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:40.120 All the options. 00:17:40.120 --> 00:17:43.880 You're not playing stupid games and winning stupid prizes with your phone provider. 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.360 That is the absolute way to do it. 00:17:47.480 --> 00:17:48.039 It's two 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:49.399 thousand dollars. 00:17:49.399 --> 00:17:50.519 Starting. 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:51.080 Starting. 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:52.039 I need the five 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:53.480 twelve model for what I need. 00:17:53.639 --> 00:17:55.320 So mine's gonna be like twenty-four, twenty-five. 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:56.360 I think I'm there with you. 00:17:56.360 --> 00:17:57.720 I think I'm there with you, right? 00:17:58.600 --> 00:17:59.480 It's just 00:17:59.720 --> 00:18:00.279 Yeah. 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:02.200 That's a lot of cheddar. 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:04.039 When the 18 Pro 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:07.639 Max is starting at uh literally almost $900 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:08.360 less. 00:18:08.360 --> 00:18:08.760 Yeah. 00:18:08.760 --> 00:18:09.399 Yeah. 00:18:09.399 --> 00:18:10.840 And let's be honest, like 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:12.360 the Pro phones 00:18:13.340 --> 00:18:13.899 Are 00:18:14.220 --> 00:18:15.659 pretty good. 00:18:15.659 --> 00:18:15.980 Like 00:18:16.380 --> 00:18:17.100 pretty good. 00:18:17.100 --> 00:18:17.899 They're pretty good. 00:18:17.899 --> 00:18:20.139 And and you're coming from a 16. 00:18:20.139 --> 00:18:20.539 So just 00:18:20.860 --> 00:18:25.419 I just want to point out, Apple makes incredible silicon. 00:18:25.679 --> 00:18:28.960 The A20, the chip that is in the 18 Pros 00:18:29.120 --> 00:18:30.399 has the fastest single 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:31.600 core performance 00:18:32.080 --> 00:18:34.399 of any chip Apple has ever made. 00:18:34.399 --> 00:18:35.279 I saw that 00:18:35.880 --> 00:18:36.760 No, multi-core 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:40.440 doesn't have as many cores as like the M-Chips, so the multi-core is a little down. 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:41.160 The 18 00:18:41.320 --> 00:18:42.760 's got the new, like 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:44.760 the improved thermals. 00:18:44.760 --> 00:18:47.320 So like one thing I really noticed going from the 16 Pro to 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:48.039 17 Pro 00:18:48.280 --> 00:18:49.480 was the thermal management. 00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:50.679 It does not get as hot 00:18:50.840 --> 00:18:54.039 and is able to keep sustained performance for longer. 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:56.040 They've even improved that even more 00:18:56.520 --> 00:18:58.440 because apparently the chip is 00:18:58.600 --> 00:18:59.960 so I guess the 17 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:02.200 Pro, it will essentially 00:19:02.800 --> 00:19:03.120 The 00:19:03.280 --> 00:19:03.600 the 00:19:03.760 --> 00:19:04.640 the processor 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:05.280 RAM 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:09.200 was on top of the processor and then it was the vapor chamber. 00:19:09.200 --> 00:19:11.040 Well now they've moved the 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:12.040 RAM 00:19:12.280 --> 00:19:16.680 beside the processor so the vapor chamber is directly on top of the processor. 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:17.160 So it just 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:19.640 distributes heat even better than before. 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:20.520 And it's bigger 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.560 and yeah, so like apparently the thermals are going to be 00:19:23.800 --> 00:19:24.120 uh 00:19:26.059 --> 00:19:26.460 Just 00:19:26.620 --> 00:19:28.140 yeah, better so it's it'll 00:19:28.299 --> 00:19:30.780 charge cooler, it'll be cooler, it'll run better. 00:19:31.020 --> 00:19:31.500 The eighteen 00:19:31.660 --> 00:19:31.820 pro 00:19:31.980 --> 00:19:32.780 like it's yeah 00:19:33.140 --> 00:19:33.700 Chances are 00:19:33.860 --> 00:19:36.660 when you buy the 18 Pro, it'll be the fastest device in your house. 00:19:36.660 --> 00:19:37.060 Like that's 00:19:37.220 --> 00:19:39.380 that's how good these chips are. 00:19:39.380 --> 00:19:40.420 I don't doubt it. 00:19:40.420 --> 00:19:41.540 I really don't doubt it. 00:19:42.020 --> 00:19:42.820 And again 00:19:43.260 --> 00:19:46.700 Part of the reason that I'm really looking at that is I really want the full 00:19:46.860 --> 00:19:48.380 I want the full-fledged uh 00:19:48.539 --> 00:19:48.860 Siri 00:19:49.020 --> 00:19:51.500 AI experience, which is gonna require newer hardware. 00:19:51.500 --> 00:19:53.020 I know my current phone won't do it. 00:19:53.020 --> 00:19:53.740 It'll do like 00:19:54.040 --> 00:19:56.200 Most of it on cloud versus on device. 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:57.080 The smaller model. 00:19:57.080 --> 00:19:57.320 Yeah. 00:19:57.560 --> 00:19:57.880 Yeah. 00:19:57.880 --> 00:19:59.400 The smaller on device model. 00:19:59.400 --> 00:19:59.640 Yeah. 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.520 So I'm I'm excited to take advantage of that. 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:03.280 Um 00:20:04.080 --> 00:20:04.560 yeah. 00:20:05.680 --> 00:20:09.760 I think you should I think you should buy the the Pro or the Pro Max, whichever one you want. 00:20:09.760 --> 00:20:11.440 I think that's the right phone for you, Drew. 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:12.480 I I think it is. 00:20:12.800 --> 00:20:13.600 I think it is. 00:20:13.600 --> 00:20:14.000 Yeah. 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:17.120 I'm not super thrilled about this year's colors, if I'm honest. 00:20:17.180 --> 00:20:17.500 I 00:20:17.740 --> 00:20:20.060 I agree with you on that. 00:20:20.060 --> 00:20:20.540 I think 00:20:20.700 --> 00:20:22.380 hold on, let me go to 00:20:22.620 --> 00:20:23.500 I have another. 00:20:28.820 --> 00:20:29.380 Glacier, 00:20:29.540 --> 00:20:29.940 sorry. 00:20:29.940 --> 00:20:30.340 Yeah. 00:20:30.340 --> 00:20:31.620 Glacier. 00:20:31.700 --> 00:20:32.340 I think 00:20:32.500 --> 00:20:34.820 if I was doing it this year, 00:20:35.380 --> 00:20:37.620 I think I'd probably go with the 00:20:37.780 --> 00:20:38.020 the 00:20:38.260 --> 00:20:40.180 silver or the glacier. 00:20:42.059 --> 00:20:42.860 I think it's silver. 00:20:42.860 --> 00:20:44.860 I think it's silver or black for me. 00:20:44.860 --> 00:20:45.740 Yeah. 00:20:48.299 --> 00:20:49.019 I would do the 00:20:49.179 --> 00:20:50.299 I would just do the silver. 00:20:50.299 --> 00:20:51.500 I like the white devices. 00:20:51.500 --> 00:20:52.059 I do. 00:20:52.059 --> 00:20:52.539 I do 00:20:52.760 --> 00:20:53.160 I think it's a good idea. 00:20:54.679 --> 00:20:56.200 Mine is the natural titanium. 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:56.440 And I 00:20:56.600 --> 00:20:57.160 I love this. 00:20:57.160 --> 00:20:58.520 I wish they made this color more. 00:20:58.520 --> 00:20:59.960 I love the titanium. 00:20:59.960 --> 00:21:02.440 I think the Burgundy is gonna sell gangbusters. 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.840 I don't think it's gonna be as popular as Cosmic Orange. 00:21:04.840 --> 00:21:06.200 That but also I'm biased. 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:07.559 I love Cosmic Orange. 00:21:07.179 --> 00:21:07.980 It's the reason I haven't. 00:21:08.140 --> 00:21:09.020 That is a great phone. 00:21:09.020 --> 00:21:09.500 Yeah, I love it. 00:21:09.500 --> 00:21:10.140 I love that color. 00:21:10.140 --> 00:21:11.100 It's such a great, it's a great. 00:21:11.100 --> 00:21:13.419 I love, I mean heck, I'm using orange headphones right now. 00:21:13.419 --> 00:21:14.460 I love orange. 00:21:14.460 --> 00:21:17.660 It's one of my favorite colors, if not my favorite color. 00:21:17.540 --> 00:21:17.780 Oh 00:21:18.420 --> 00:21:19.940 the pre-orders for this start tomorrow. 00:21:20.340 --> 00:21:20.740 The pre-orders 00:21:21.060 --> 00:21:21.300 no 00:21:21.540 --> 00:21:22.420 deliveries. 00:21:22.420 --> 00:21:23.300 Pre-orders for the S 00:21:23.540 --> 00:21:23.860 18 00:21:24.020 --> 00:21:24.420 and the 18 00:21:24.660 --> 00:21:24.820 Pro 00:21:24.980 --> 00:21:25.220 or the 00:21:25.380 --> 00:21:25.540 18 00:21:25.780 --> 00:21:25.860 Pro 00:21:26.020 --> 00:21:26.180 and Pro 00:21:26.340 --> 00:21:26.580 Max 00:21:26.740 --> 00:21:27.780 was last Friday. 00:21:28.100 --> 00:21:28.260 They 00:21:28.740 --> 00:21:28.820 're 00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:32.260 the first deliveries arrived tomorrow. 00:21:31.620 --> 00:21:32.660 Oh, okay. 00:21:32.660 --> 00:21:33.140 Okay. 00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:35.220 I wonder if they'll be available in the store. 00:21:35.220 --> 00:21:35.380 They 00:21:35.540 --> 00:21:35.860 that will 00:21:36.100 --> 00:21:38.340 as of tomorrow they'll be in the available in the store. 00:21:38.340 --> 00:21:39.140 Mm-hmm. 00:21:39.540 --> 00:21:40.660 Yeah, you may be able to 00:21:40.820 --> 00:21:42.180 put one in now for a pre-or 00:21:42.500 --> 00:21:44.100 to pick up tomorrow if you're so if you're 00:21:44.260 --> 00:21:45.220 if you're lucky. 00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:45.860 Yeah 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:47.480 It's a possi 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:48.920 distinct possibility. 00:21:48.920 --> 00:21:49.720 Distinct possibility. 00:21:50.040 --> 00:21:50.280 All right. 00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:53.640 I'm just gonna leave I'm gonna leave this tab open and we'll see what happens. 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:54.760 Yeah. 00:21:54.760 --> 00:21:55.080 Uh 00:21:55.320 --> 00:21:59.000 the only thing I did buy is I did purchase a new pair of AirPods. 00:21:59.000 --> 00:21:59.880 I bought the AirPods 00:22:00.040 --> 00:22:00.840 5. 00:22:01.540 --> 00:22:02.580 Okay. 00:22:02.740 --> 00:22:04.500 You're not a big fan of in-ear 00:22:04.820 --> 00:22:05.780 stuff. 00:22:05.940 --> 00:22:06.260 I 00:22:06.820 --> 00:22:07.460 do not 00:22:07.700 --> 00:22:10.180 I used to use the pros. 00:22:10.179 --> 00:22:10.500 I like the 00:22:10.660 --> 00:22:11.059 post. 00:22:11.620 --> 00:22:14.419 As listeners remember, I had a panic attack when 00:22:14.580 --> 00:22:16.980 when the ear tips came off in my ear. 00:22:16.980 --> 00:22:21.940 And then and and I'm just generally I'm very sensitive about things that go in my ear. 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:23.020 So I just do the regular pros. 00:22:23.020 --> 00:22:23.980 I have the I have the fours 00:22:24.140 --> 00:22:25.740 with the ANC. 00:22:25.740 --> 00:22:26.780 They're a couple years old. 00:22:26.860 --> 00:22:27.180 I mean, I 00:22:27.340 --> 00:22:28.140 these things are almost 00:22:28.380 --> 00:22:30.860 if I'm not talking somebody, chances are 00:22:31.060 --> 00:22:33.860 These things are in my ear and I'm either listening to a podcast 00:22:34.020 --> 00:22:35.060 or or or music. 00:22:35.060 --> 00:22:37.940 People ask me how many how do you listen to so many podcasts, Paul? 00:22:37.940 --> 00:22:40.020 It's because I said I'm always listening to podcasts. 00:22:40.020 --> 00:22:40.900 That's the thing. 00:22:40.900 --> 00:22:41.540 Uh 00:22:42.560 --> 00:22:46.560 The battery is getting a little like I can tell the case justn't holding the charge anymore. 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:47.360 I'm right there. 00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:48.640 Yeah, my pros 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:50.320 are doing the same thing 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:51.720 And then when I saw the the f 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:54.360 the 15s, there's like two models. 00:22:54.360 --> 00:22:57.080 The higher model has the wireless charging case, which is a must-have. 00:22:57.080 --> 00:22:59.000 And it also has the volume control 00:22:59.160 --> 00:22:59.560 by like 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:01.080 swiping on the stem. 00:23:01.080 --> 00:23:02.600 And when I saw that, I'm like 00:23:02.840 --> 00:23:03.640 I want that. 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:04.760 That's I I would want that. 00:23:04.760 --> 00:23:07.240 I hate reaching into my pocket or forgetting my phone. 00:23:07.240 --> 00:23:08.120 Like I walk away with 00:23:08.280 --> 00:23:10.200 my AirPods in and I want to adjust the volume. 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:11.480 Like I fucking can't. 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:11.799 We're 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:12.520 my phone's 00:23:12.760 --> 00:23:14.360 my phone's over there. 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.080 So yeah, that was an instant purchase 00:23:16.320 --> 00:23:18.080 instant purchase for me. 00:23:18.080 --> 00:23:20.800 Uh, but I haven't ordered any phones yet, because 00:23:21.360 --> 00:23:22.080 I don't know. 00:23:22.080 --> 00:23:22.400 I'm 00:23:22.560 --> 00:23:22.880 just 00:23:23.780 --> 00:23:25.460 But you don't have a compulsion to 00:23:25.700 --> 00:23:27.540 I mean you do upgrade every year. 00:23:27.540 --> 00:23:28.100 So are you 00:23:28.260 --> 00:23:30.500 are you saying that you will either get a folder 00:23:30.660 --> 00:23:31.620 in 18? 00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:36.540 I will either get a fold or stick with my 17 Pro. 00:23:36.700 --> 00:23:37.020 Okay. 00:23:37.020 --> 00:23:39.820 So if an upgrade happens, it's going to be the fold. 00:23:39.820 --> 00:23:40.060 Yes. 00:23:40.060 --> 00:23:40.300 Yeah. 00:23:40.300 --> 00:23:40.860 The duo. 00:23:40.860 --> 00:23:41.260 Excuse me. 00:23:41.260 --> 00:23:41.980 The iPhone Duo. 00:23:42.700 --> 00:23:42.860 Sorry. 00:23:44.380 --> 00:23:44.620 Yes. 00:23:44.620 --> 00:23:44.940 Yes. 00:23:45.040 --> 00:23:45.120 Oh 00:23:45.360 --> 00:23:48.800 that the Apple police will come and hit me over the head if I say it wrong too many times. 00:23:49.040 --> 00:23:49.440 Right, right. 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:49.600 That's 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:50.560 But I honest 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:51.760 I really think 00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.560 I really think my wife would love the duo. 00:23:54.560 --> 00:23:54.800 I think 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:55.760 I think that is 00:23:55.940 --> 00:23:57.220 I think she could be 00:23:57.380 --> 00:23:57.460 now 00:23:57.620 --> 00:24:03.779 granted the cameras could bot bother her, but we're at a point now where like our kids are older, we're not taking as many pictures in general 00:24:03.660 --> 00:24:04.860 So she probably would be fine. 00:24:04.860 --> 00:24:09.260 I think like for my wife, her phone is her primary computing device. 00:24:11.420 --> 00:24:11.740 I would say 00:24:11.900 --> 00:24:12.940 I would say that's my wife as well. 00:24:12.940 --> 00:24:13.100 That's 00:24:13.260 --> 00:24:14.540 that is my wife's use case as well. 00:24:14.380 --> 00:24:14.620 well. 00:24:14.620 --> 00:24:14.940 Yeah. 00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:18.460 And she likes the Mac, she likes the big phone, and I think this would 00:24:18.620 --> 00:24:21.420 I think she would really enjoy the the duo. 00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:21.660 So 00:24:21.900 --> 00:24:22.940 I don't know. 00:24:22.940 --> 00:24:23.100 Uh 00:24:23.260 --> 00:24:24.220 the problem is 00:24:24.460 --> 00:24:24.860 here's 00:24:25.020 --> 00:24:25.580 here's the problem 00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:26.780 Drew. 00:24:27.340 --> 00:24:29.179 The colors for the duo 00:24:29.820 --> 00:24:30.779 are either 00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:31.820 it's either what? 00:24:31.899 --> 00:24:33.100 It's a black or white. 00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:33.820 I think that's 00:24:34.220 --> 00:24:34.539 essentially 00:24:34.860 --> 00:24:35.500 yeah. 00:24:35.500 --> 00:24:36.139 Uh 00:24:36.380 --> 00:24:38.380 I think that's the two colors. 00:24:38.419 --> 00:24:38.580 Uh 00:24:38.820 --> 00:24:42.500 night sky, which is a bluest black, or the star white. 00:24:43.220 --> 00:24:45.460 If I was buying it for me, it'd be 00:24:45.620 --> 00:24:46.500 I wouldn't even think about it. 00:24:46.500 --> 00:24:47.539 It's star white. 00:24:47.539 --> 00:24:48.020 It's star 00:24:48.179 --> 00:24:48.500 white. 00:24:48.500 --> 00:24:48.660 I like 00:24:48.820 --> 00:24:49.860 I like the white phone. 00:24:49.860 --> 00:24:50.900 I like it. 00:24:51.019 --> 00:24:52.940 My wife does not like white phones. 00:24:52.940 --> 00:24:54.220 She likes dark phones. 00:24:54.220 --> 00:24:55.980 She always gets the darkest color. 00:24:55.980 --> 00:24:56.059 If 00:24:56.299 --> 00:24:56.380 there 00:24:56.539 --> 00:25:00.059 if there's the blackest black, that's what she would get. 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:02.560 So 00:25:02.800 --> 00:25:06.320 if I buy one, I'll probably buy the black. 00:25:06.320 --> 00:25:08.640 Hoping that she would take it. 00:25:09.080 --> 00:25:09.880 I don't know. 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:10.360 I don't know. 00:25:18.340 --> 00:25:23.539 The only thing I will tell you is that if I was gonna do it, it the night it would be night sky and it wouldn't even be close because it 00:25:24.100 --> 00:25:26.900 takes away a little bit of the bevel. 00:25:26.900 --> 00:25:28.260 Yeah, yeah 00:25:29.280 --> 00:25:32.080 The white, the the black on the white with the bevel 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.920 and the lenses, I I think it's a nicer look. 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:36.880 I I'm with you. 00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:38.960 I gravitate more to the lighter colors. 00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:40.400 I like the look of the white. 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:41.600 I like the look of the white. 00:25:41.560 --> 00:25:42.120 I like that 00:25:42.280 --> 00:25:45.320 I like that the s the edges are silver. 00:25:45.320 --> 00:25:47.160 I mean, I don't know. 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.520 I'm basic like that. 00:25:48.520 --> 00:25:48.760 My 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:49.960 my Macs are 00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:50.960 silver 00:25:51.120 --> 00:25:52.080 and my phones 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:53.040 are white. 00:25:53.040 --> 00:25:54.800 Except for this phone, my phone's orange. 00:25:54.800 --> 00:25:55.360 Orange phone 00:25:55.520 --> 00:25:55.920 true and 00:25:57.040 --> 00:25:58.160 it is an orange phone. 00:25:58.160 --> 00:25:58.880 I like that. 00:25:58.880 --> 00:25:59.920 Okay, so here's here's my 00:26:00.080 --> 00:26:02.320 here's the last thing I'm gonna ask you about this topic. 00:26:02.320 --> 00:26:03.200 Okay. 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:04.480 As a developer 00:26:04.820 --> 00:26:06.980 How do you feel about this? 00:26:07.460 --> 00:26:08.340 Okay, Drew. 00:26:08.340 --> 00:26:08.820 All right, here's 00:26:08.980 --> 00:26:09.780 here's the thing. 00:26:09.780 --> 00:26:12.500 Okay, here's here's the thing. 00:26:14.420 --> 00:26:14.740 So 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:18.520 In 00:26:18.760 --> 00:26:23.880 the Xcode 27 betas that had shipped, there was a little bit of hint of this. 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:31.480 There was a mode that you can put the simulator in that allowed you to kind of like drag and resize your iOS apps to see how they behave. 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:35.440 That it was clearly only part of the story. 00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:41.679 The other part of the story is like, hey, uh, all of your interface elements are on the right 00:26:41.840 --> 00:26:42.639 now. 00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:44.820 Deal with it like toolbars and 00:26:45.060 --> 00:26:46.100 like all that stuff. 00:26:46.100 --> 00:26:47.140 Okay. 00:26:47.140 --> 00:26:49.540 So there's gonna be a lot of work. 00:26:49.540 --> 00:26:49.860 And 00:26:50.020 --> 00:26:50.340 like 00:26:51.760 --> 00:26:54.720 There's gonna be a lot of work and I think it's gonna be a lot like if you're 00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:56.960 did you have the 10 when it came out? 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:58.559 Because that was their first like 00:26:58.720 --> 00:26:59.440 button. 00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.720 And there was like a period of a couple months where like 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:08.200 applications did not respect the fact there was no home button and they put content 00:27:08.520 --> 00:27:15.560 underneath the little grabby area where you have to swipe up so sometimes you couldn't tap a button correctly. 00:27:15.460 --> 00:27:17.140 I think there's going to be a lot of that 00:27:17.300 --> 00:27:18.420 the first couple of months. 00:27:18.420 --> 00:27:22.020 I think it's going to be a rough start as developers start to figure out 00:27:22.260 --> 00:27:23.380 what they need to do 00:27:23.540 --> 00:27:24.180 or heck 00:27:24.340 --> 00:27:24.660 even 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:27.400 I don't know if you've seen, but if you 00:27:27.560 --> 00:27:27.880 like 00:27:28.040 --> 00:27:29.240 if you take an app today 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.080 that was not compiled on the like 00:27:31.320 --> 00:27:32.840 27 SDKs 00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:34.720 It's basically letterboxed on the side. 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:35.680 It's a regular iPhone 00:27:35.840 --> 00:27:38.880 app in the middle of the screen with black bars on the side, right? 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.640 They don't do anything to it 00:27:40.860 --> 00:27:41.019 Uh 00:27:41.179 --> 00:27:48.139 if you compile with the the 27 SDK, you at least get it to be resized, but you don't have any of the controls in the right place. 00:27:48.139 --> 00:27:48.779 Okay, so anyw, 00:27:48.940 --> 00:27:49.899 anywho. 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:50.960 We 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:52.160 know that the duo 00:27:52.320 --> 00:27:54.480 is going to come out with 27. 00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:56.560 1. 00:27:56.560 --> 00:27:58.160 Everybody is waiting for 00:27:58.800 --> 00:27:59.120 for 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:00.320 uh 00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:03.340 Apple to release the beta 00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:05.580 the beta versions of 27. 00:28:05.580 --> 00:28:08.140 1 and the beta version of Xcode, which is their dev 00:28:08.380 --> 00:28:09.179 tools. 00:28:09.940 --> 00:28:15.300 Today, Apple released the betas for 27. 00:28:15.300 --> 00:28:16.180 2. 00:28:16.180 --> 00:28:16.900 Not 0. 00:28:16.900 --> 00:28:17.700 1, 0. 00:28:17.860 --> 00:28:18.260 2. 00:28:18.260 --> 00:28:20.500 And it has none of the duo 00:28:20.820 --> 00:28:21.620 stuff in it 00:28:22.360 --> 00:28:24.200 Uh oh. 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:25.880 Uh-oh. 00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.840 So I'm guessing there's still some last-minute refinements 00:28:29.160 --> 00:28:31.080 or there's some secret stuff that they want 00:28:31.320 --> 00:28:35.400 people realizing this soon as they get their hands on the duo simulator. 00:28:34.800 --> 00:28:34.960 So 00:28:35.360 --> 00:28:40.240 as of today, a month before pre-orders, no developer can 00:28:40.560 --> 00:28:40.880 even 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:41.840 start 00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:46.400 trying out user interface design specifically for the duo. 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:48.000 It is impossible. 00:28:47.580 --> 00:28:47.900 You can't think of the thing. 00:28:54.140 --> 00:28:54.300 Okay. 00:28:55.020 --> 00:28:57.260 Yeah, like they showed Netflix in the thing. 00:28:57.500 --> 00:28:58.060 Yes. 00:28:58.060 --> 00:28:59.500 There are probably are 00:28:59.940 --> 00:29:00.019 some 00:29:00.179 --> 00:29:01.220 big developers who 00:29:01.380 --> 00:29:03.620 already have access to it who've gotten stuff 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:04.100 like 00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:05.700 yes, you are correct. 00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:06.019 Like up 00:29:06.179 --> 00:29:07.380 clearly Netflix has. 00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:08.899 They showed some other stuff. 00:29:08.899 --> 00:29:09.380 But like 00:29:09.539 --> 00:29:10.820 a lot of your apps 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:12.520 Might not work right. 00:29:12.760 --> 00:29:13.480 Yeah, exactly. 00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:14.040 It's gonna be 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:20.440 if you get this phone on launch day, heck, if you get this phone in the first month, it's gonna be a bumpy ride for a bit. 00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:22.600 I I really do think it is. 00:29:22.600 --> 00:29:22.920 And 00:29:24.340 --> 00:29:25.620 Yeah, I mean 00:29:27.620 --> 00:29:27.779 not 00:29:27.940 --> 00:29:29.860 to get too nerdy, but like 00:29:30.100 --> 00:29:31.860 I follow along with Swift Development. 00:29:31.860 --> 00:29:34.419 I can't I keep trying to write an app, but it stalls and starts. 00:29:34.419 --> 00:29:35.220 Whatever, it's fine. 00:29:35.220 --> 00:29:36.820 I still enjoy doing it. 00:29:36.820 --> 00:29:37.300 You can 00:29:37.460 --> 00:29:37.700 like 00:29:37.860 --> 00:29:41.860 looking at some of the stuff that they introduced in the SDK 00:29:42.020 --> 00:29:42.740 20 like 00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:43.380 for uh 00:29:43.540 --> 00:29:49.380 iOS 27, you can look at that and go, oh, I see what you did. 00:29:49.260 --> 00:29:49.980 Cause like 00:29:50.220 --> 00:29:54.539 used to be when you set like toolbar items, you would say like, hey, this is the 00:29:54.700 --> 00:29:57.020 this is the first and this is the second 00:29:57.320 --> 00:30:05.640 And they changed it all to be like, well, this is your primary toolbar button, and this is the default action, and this is your secondary toolbar island and your 00:30:05.800 --> 00:30:05.880 and 00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:09.320 toolbar item and your tertiary. 00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.520 So kind of removing position and kind of importance. 00:30:12.520 --> 00:30:15.000 And you're like, oh, they did that because 00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.440 on the duo, they're not at the top, they're on the right. 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:19.000 Right? 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:19.320 Uh 00:30:20.380 --> 00:30:25.020 So there's the developer stories I think is gonna be interesting, but I really do believe it's gonna 00:30:25.180 --> 00:30:25.340 it's 00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:27.100 if you remember the iPhone X 00:30:27.420 --> 00:30:29.340 and having the frustration of apps not 00:30:29.500 --> 00:30:30.700 having not figured that 00:30:31.120 --> 00:30:31.360 that 00:30:31.600 --> 00:30:31.840 form 00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:33.280 factor out yet. 00:30:33.280 --> 00:30:34.640 It's gonna be a lot like that. 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:35.600 Probably even worse, because 00:30:35.760 --> 00:30:37.120 this is the significant 00:30:37.760 --> 00:30:38.320 UI 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:41.840 change as far as like uh iOS goes. 00:30:41.840 --> 00:30:42.160 So 00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:43.520 yeah. 00:30:43.700 --> 00:30:44.500 Gotcha. 00:30:44.500 --> 00:30:44.980 We'll see. 00:30:44.980 --> 00:30:46.660 We'll see. 00:30:46.660 --> 00:30:47.460 Gotcha. 00:30:47.460 --> 00:30:47.940 Okay. 00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:50.740 Is there anything else about Apple that we want to talk about? 00:30:50.740 --> 00:30:54.420 I mean, I think that's kind of the big news, and we do like to talk about Apple news. 00:30:54.100 --> 00:30:56.500 I mean, we could just go right into 00:30:56.820 --> 00:30:57.139 our 00:30:57.299 --> 00:31:00.260 listener question if we want to talk about more Apple stuff. 00:31:00.260 --> 00:31:01.380 Yeah, let's do that. 00:31:01.620 --> 00:31:02.980 Go ahead and set us up here. 00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:03.539 Okay. 00:31:03.539 --> 00:31:03.779 So 00:31:04.100 --> 00:31:07.220 we got a question from a listener. 00:31:06.860 --> 00:31:07.419 Love that. 00:31:07.419 --> 00:31:11.500 And by the way, if you want to send us a question, send us an email to contact at doing their 00:31:11.659 --> 00:31:12.059 best. 00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:12.299 com. 00:31:12.299 --> 00:31:16.059 And I guarantee you, unless your question's real dumb, boy, answer it. 00:31:16.059 --> 00:31:16.700 Uh 00:31:17.040 --> 00:31:18.880 This one comes from friend of the show 00:31:19.040 --> 00:31:19.600 Andrew. 00:31:19.600 --> 00:31:20.880 Hi Andrew. 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.840 And he says, question for you all. 00:31:23.840 --> 00:31:28.320 If you're going to vest in local AI, what are you buying? 00:31:28.220 --> 00:31:31.660 Especially with the newly announced Max Studio. 00:31:31.660 --> 00:31:36.860 I have one pre-ordered to reserve my spot in line, but I don't know if I'll go through with it 00:31:37.020 --> 00:31:38.620 or some other setup. 00:31:38.919 --> 00:31:40.760 I ordered the M5 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:41.720 Ultra 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:42.440 80 00:31:42.600 --> 00:31:43.080 Core 00:31:43.240 --> 00:31:43.880 2TB 00:31:44.520 --> 00:31:45.799 and 256 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.880 gigs of memory. 00:31:47.840 --> 00:31:52.720 I'd likely be using it for coding and general purpose agents, maybe some light image 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:57.520 generation, but definitely not a focus area to worry much about performance. 00:31:57.419 --> 00:31:57.900 Thanks 00:31:58.059 --> 00:32:01.100 and looking forward to a good computer corner. 00:32:01.820 --> 00:32:03.900 I hope you get everything you want, Andrew. 00:32:03.900 --> 00:32:05.580 Okay, so first of all, Drew. 00:32:05.940 --> 00:32:07.700 Do you know how much that computer 00:32:08.100 --> 00:32:09.460 I'm glad you brought that up. 00:32:09.460 --> 00:32:11.940 And before we get into that though, before we get into that though, 00:32:12.419 --> 00:32:13.380 I'm gonna look at my camera. 00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:17.860 I'm gonna give Andrew a little wag of the finger here, because we've we've talked about this and clearly you don't listen. 00:32:17.860 --> 00:32:18.740 Clearly you don't listen. 00:32:18.740 --> 00:32:19.940 We've talked about this 00:32:19.820 --> 00:32:19.980 Okay. 00:32:20.300 --> 00:32:20.540 So 00:32:20.700 --> 00:32:23.500 yes, Paul, go ahead and go ahead and describe this because I 00:32:23.660 --> 00:32:28.140 before the show started and I saw that you put this in the show notes, I did look this up. 00:32:27.620 --> 00:32:28.420 Uh-huh, I did. 00:32:28.420 --> 00:32:29.940 Yeah, so you know the number. 00:32:29.940 --> 00:32:30.900 Okay. 00:32:30.900 --> 00:32:31.220 So 00:32:31.540 --> 00:32:34.900 the the chip that he is getting is the I f 00:32:35.140 --> 00:32:35.220 I 00:32:35.700 --> 00:32:36.180 M5 00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:37.460 Ultra. 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:37.919 300 00:32:38.320 --> 00:32:38.720 max core 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:39.360 core. 00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:41.200 Yep. 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:41.919 So it's the M5 00:32:42.080 --> 00:32:43.600 Ultra Max Studio. 00:32:43.600 --> 00:32:44.159 36 00:32:44.320 --> 00:32:47.519 core CPU, 80 core GPU. 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.960 256 gigs of RAM, which you can't get that number any higher. 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.880 That's the most Apple will sell you. 00:32:52.880 --> 00:32:53.279 And two 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.039 terabytes. 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:55.360 That 00:32:55.600 --> 00:32:56.240 computer 00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:57.200 is 00:32:58.740 --> 00:33:01.940 11,299 00:33:02.260 --> 00:33:04.340 American Freedom Dollars. 00:33:04.340 --> 00:33:05.059 Before tax. 00:33:05.620 --> 00:33:06.260 Before tax. 00:33:06.340 --> 00:33:08.500 With tax, that is a twelve 00:33:08.740 --> 00:33:09.780 thousand 00:33:10.419 --> 00:33:10.740 dollar 00:33:11.059 --> 00:33:12.179 computer. 00:33:12.800 --> 00:33:13.040 So 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:14.080 Andrew, and 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.160 Andrew, you're nuts. 00:33:16.560 --> 00:33:18.320 Well, hold on. 00:33:18.320 --> 00:33:19.040 Hold on. 00:33:19.040 --> 00:33:19.520 Hold on. 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:21.680 We're going to play devil and angel. 00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:23.680 We're going to play devil and angel here. 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:23.760 From me, okay, Paul's? 00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:27.360 Paul's gonna be the angel and tell you that you're nuts, but I'm gonna be the devil, okay? 00:33:27.360 --> 00:33:28.960 I'm gonna be the devil here. 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:30.000 And I'm gonna say that 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.440 if you're serious about this, before you drop 00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:35.600 any money on hardware. 00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:37.640 There's a lot of other questions you got 00:33:37.800 --> 00:33:40.120 to ask yourself, right? 00:33:40.760 --> 00:33:41.480 Let's let's 00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:43.160 let's look at his email again. 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:45.080 So the primary use case here is 00:33:45.320 --> 00:33:47.560 he wants to do coding. 00:33:47.560 --> 00:33:48.200 Yeah. 00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:49.160 All right. 00:33:49.060 --> 00:33:52.100 So the first question I would ask you, Andrew, is 00:33:52.580 --> 00:33:54.660 this thing shows up on your doorstep. 00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:55.700 You're happy. 00:33:55.700 --> 00:33:56.900 You made an investment. 00:33:56.900 --> 00:33:58.500 You're ready to take this seriously. 00:33:58.500 --> 00:34:01.620 You get it down, you get it unboxed, you get it set up. 00:34:02.019 --> 00:34:03.700 What model are you running? 00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:06.659 That's a serious question. 00:34:06.980 --> 00:34:08.020 It's a serious question. 00:34:08.020 --> 00:34:08.659 Because here's 00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:11.780 here's the reality of where local LLMs right now. 00:34:11.780 --> 00:34:11.940 And I'm 00:34:12.099 --> 00:34:14.099 and I'm telling you this from a position of 00:34:14.260 --> 00:34:14.420 Semi 00:34:14.580 --> 00:34:15.220 -authority because 00:34:15.380 --> 00:34:17.540 over to my right is my AI computer 00:34:17.940 --> 00:34:19.860 that I do local coding on. 00:34:19.860 --> 00:34:20.740 Okay? 00:34:20.740 --> 00:34:22.100 Again, we've talked about this. 00:34:22.100 --> 00:34:22.980 Be a better listener. 00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:24.020 First of all, be better. 00:34:24.020 --> 00:34:25.380 Be better about being a listener. 00:34:25.380 --> 00:34:25.700 Okay. 00:34:25.700 --> 00:34:27.140 We're doing this for you. 00:34:28.460 --> 00:34:37.419 When it comes to local coding models today, you have ones that can comfortably fit into anywhere from 64 00:34:38.059 --> 00:34:38.379 to 00:34:38.619 --> 00:34:41.179 about 128 gigs of VRAM 00:34:42.060 --> 00:34:47.419 Once you go to the next generation models, you need like 600 gigs of memory. 00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:48.620 Okay 00:34:49.540 --> 00:34:50.980 I would say that right 00:34:51.140 --> 00:34:51.700 right now 00:34:51.860 --> 00:35:00.340 as of this recording, if if you were gonna go get started with a local coding model right now that can run on most hardware and by the way, run well. 00:35:00.720 --> 00:35:01.200 Because 00:35:01.359 --> 00:35:06.480 remember that all these models perform differently depending on the hardware you have. 00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:07.119 You know, I 00:35:07.359 --> 00:35:07.520 could 00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.039 this thing fit a big two hundred gig model on it? 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:11.839 Absolutely. 00:35:11.839 --> 00:35:15.279 But if you're getting half a token per second, is it really worth it? 00:35:15.580 --> 00:35:16.140 Right. 00:35:16.140 --> 00:35:22.220 Or do you want a slightly smaller model that can generate 12 to 20 tokens a second 00:35:22.380 --> 00:35:24.140 and give you faster development 00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:27.020 iteration, giving you all of that speed. 00:35:27.020 --> 00:35:28.140 So before you drop 00:35:28.780 --> 00:35:28.940 any 00:35:29.180 --> 00:35:30.300 money on this stuff. 00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:33.820 I think the first thing you gotta figure out is what model you're gonna run. 00:35:33.820 --> 00:35:34.220 I think 00:35:34.380 --> 00:35:39.500 if you go read Reddit and you go read this other stuff right now, there is a particular model called Quen3 00:35:39.740 --> 00:35:40.620 Coder Next. 00:35:40.620 --> 00:35:42.540 This is the one I use. 00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:44.580 It is a perfect balance 00:35:44.900 --> 00:35:45.220 of 00:35:45.540 --> 00:35:47.780 performance, capability. 00:35:47.780 --> 00:35:50.580 I've thrown multiple scenarios at it. 00:35:50.620 --> 00:35:51.260 And it 00:35:51.500 --> 00:35:53.500 has created workable apps. 00:35:53.980 --> 00:35:55.260 Does it one-shot things? 00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:56.060 Absolutely not. 00:35:56.060 --> 00:36:00.940 But I don't even think frontier models necessarily one-shot everything all the time. 00:36:01.140 --> 00:36:03.299 So your development cycle is going to look like this. 00:36:03.299 --> 00:36:05.700 You got to first decide on which model you want to use. 00:36:05.700 --> 00:36:07.220 You're going to put it through its paces. 00:36:07.220 --> 00:36:13.539 You're going to come up with a workflow that gets this done and generates the thing that you want to do for local coding. 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:22.520 Now, again, whatever skills you throw at this thing, whatever else you have it to to to work with, and MCPs that you plug it into, all of that stuff is fair game. 00:36:22.520 --> 00:36:26.120 Not I'm not gonna go that deep on it, but you first have to decide like 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:27.960 Which model 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:28.760 is this? 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.839 And I think that you will find 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:36.760 that the models that really perform right now aren't gonna fit into 256 gigs of RAM. 00:36:37.080 --> 00:36:38.040 It's not. 00:36:38.040 --> 00:36:38.600 Yeah. 00:36:38.600 --> 00:36:38.920 And 00:36:39.240 --> 00:36:45.160 while streaming from hard drives, there's people out there that are doing little cool science experiments for that. 00:36:45.160 --> 00:36:45.720 Again 00:36:46.040 --> 00:36:48.040 Your performance is gonna be awful. 00:36:48.040 --> 00:36:49.560 Gonna be it's just gonna be awful. 00:36:49.560 --> 00:36:51.640 So we'll put a link in the show notes to Quen3 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.320 Coder next. 00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:56.360 And you're gonna go down this crazy rabbit hole. 00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:56.480 about 00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.520 well hold on a second there's multiple versions of Quen 3 00:36:59.680 --> 00:37:03.680 coder next and which one should I use and all this other stuff. 00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:11.040 Yeah. 00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:12.560 The next thing that I would tell you is 00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.080 again before you drop money on any hardware, what's your harness? 00:37:16.080 --> 00:37:18.160 What are you going to use for this? 00:37:18.580 --> 00:37:20.340 And this is where you start to get into 00:37:20.500 --> 00:37:25.460 differences between OS versions, hardware versions, and what you're able to run. 00:37:25.460 --> 00:37:28.340 At a minimum, what you need is you need some sort of 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:34.280 tool that is able to take a model and run it locally for inference. 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:36.040 And your mileage may vary here. 00:37:36.040 --> 00:37:38.840 I think that there's plenty of open source tools. 00:37:38.660 --> 00:37:39.140 Like uh 00:37:39.300 --> 00:37:39.780 Llama 00:37:40.020 --> 00:37:42.180 CPP is like the most the most common one. 00:37:42.180 --> 00:37:43.220 It's open source. 00:37:43.220 --> 00:37:45.940 You can run it on pretty much any hardware. 00:37:45.940 --> 00:37:48.180 It does take, you know, a lot of configurations. 00:37:48.180 --> 00:37:53.460 A lot of times you actually have to compile it for your particular system setup, hardware memory. 00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:55.240 You're gonna be investing some time in that. 00:37:55.240 --> 00:37:56.440 Or you can go off the shelf 00:37:56.600 --> 00:37:57.960 with something like LM Studio. 00:37:57.960 --> 00:37:59.560 All these links will be in the show notes, Andrew. 00:37:59.560 --> 00:38:01.960 You should know that by now if you're a real listener. 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:03.880 You need to first figure that out. 00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.680 Like how am I actually gonna load these models? 00:38:06.820 --> 00:38:07.220 Then you 00:38:07.380 --> 00:38:09.060 got to figure out, well, again, what's my hardest? 00:38:09.060 --> 00:38:10.340 Am I going to use open code? 00:38:10.340 --> 00:38:14.260 Am I going to like go pay for like an IDE or something that plugs 00:38:14.500 --> 00:38:16.020 into my local development? 00:38:16.020 --> 00:38:18.020 How do I set that up? 00:38:18.380 --> 00:38:21.099 You see how this like starts to snowball a little bit. 00:38:21.099 --> 00:38:21.420 So 00:38:22.140 --> 00:38:24.220 I think you I think you first really, and 00:38:24.380 --> 00:38:28.380 maybe you've already done this, and I'm not trying to cast aspersions, but you really need to go and think about 00:38:28.700 --> 00:38:29.020 which 00:38:29.339 --> 00:38:29.660 model 00:38:29.980 --> 00:38:31.420 am I targeting 00:38:31.340 --> 00:38:36.620 And I think if you look at it through that lens, I don't think you need to go spend $12,000. 00:38:36.620 --> 00:38:37.900 I don't. 00:38:37.900 --> 00:38:43.500 I think that if you if you find the right model and you kind of arrive at a place where you know the amount of 00:38:43.820 --> 00:38:43.980 uh 00:38:44.140 --> 00:38:44.860 GPU 00:38:45.020 --> 00:38:48.860 power that you need, you can make a pretty informed decision. 00:38:49.740 --> 00:38:51.660 Now having said that. 00:38:51.660 --> 00:38:51.740 . 00:38:52.520 --> 00:38:54.760 One more thing I'm gonna offer up here. 00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:55.320 Okay. 00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:56.040 As we all know 00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:56.920 , and then I'm gonna 00:38:57.080 --> 00:38:59.480 I'm gonna give Andrew my opinion of what he should do. 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:00.040 Okay. 00:39:00.040 --> 00:39:01.880 Alright, I'll shut up here in a second. 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:02.680 No, you're fine. 00:39:02.680 --> 00:39:03.640 You're fine. 00:39:03.640 --> 00:39:05.560 But what I would tell you is 00:39:05.800 --> 00:39:06.120 that 00:39:06.860 --> 00:39:07.100 for 00:39:07.420 --> 00:39:08.060 that money 00:39:08.220 --> 00:39:10.700 or around that money. 00:39:10.700 --> 00:39:12.460 What if I told you 00:39:12.860 --> 00:39:13.820 you could get 00:39:15.140 --> 00:39:18.500 128 gigs of actual RAM. 00:39:18.500 --> 00:39:22.180 What if I told you that you could get a GeForce 00:39:22.340 --> 00:39:25.300 5090 and a two-terabyte SSD? 00:39:26.740 --> 00:39:26.980 For 00:39:27.300 --> 00:39:27.540 about 00:39:27.859 --> 00:39:28.020 a 00:39:28.180 --> 00:39:30.020 thousand dollars less 00:39:30.500 --> 00:39:33.220 than you're gonna spend on that Mac. 00:39:33.220 --> 00:39:35.859 And here's what I would also tell you. 00:39:36.500 --> 00:39:39.300 Understand that Apple Silicon is a different beast. 00:39:39.300 --> 00:39:39.780 It is. 00:39:39.780 --> 00:39:40.260 Yeah. 00:39:40.260 --> 00:39:41.940 It's a different beast. 00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:42.260 And 00:39:42.500 --> 00:39:42.980 having 00:39:43.140 --> 00:39:50.579 having used generative AI on a Mac, a PC, and a Linux machine right now, it's Linux versus everybody. 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:54.200 When it comes to library support, when it comes to OS support. 00:39:54.520 --> 00:39:56.280 It's Linux and NVIDIA, really, right? 00:39:56.280 --> 00:39:57.079 Like that's the big 00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:58.040 yeah. 00:39:58.200 --> 00:39:58.760 Right. 00:39:58.760 --> 00:39:58.920 So 00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:00.440 I don't know what 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:03.079 your proximity is to a micro center. 00:40:03.120 --> 00:40:03.360 But 00:40:03.600 --> 00:40:04.640 I would tell you 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:05.280 for 00:40:05.600 --> 00:40:05.840 the 00:40:06.080 --> 00:40:06.720 same 00:40:07.040 --> 00:40:07.360 same 00:40:07.520 --> 00:40:11.520 ish price, you could buy a machine that almost is what I have. 00:40:11.520 --> 00:40:11.920 It's a pa 00:40:12.080 --> 00:40:12.560 it's a power 00:40:12.720 --> 00:40:17.760 spec, so it's their house brand, but it has all of that stuff in it. 00:40:17.700 --> 00:40:25.940 And then I would tell you to go to one step further because if you really want to max out your VRAM, again, without going super deep into 00:40:26.100 --> 00:40:29.700 Drew's computer corner right now, it's not just about 00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:32.100 the total RAM in your system. 00:40:32.100 --> 00:40:35.300 It's about how fast things can access it. 00:40:35.300 --> 00:40:37.700 And that's why this particular model 00:40:38.020 --> 00:40:42.260 might be something that's a little more attractive just from an expandability standpoint 00:40:42.500 --> 00:40:42.820 because 00:40:43.220 --> 00:40:44.180 This computer 00:40:44.500 --> 00:40:45.700 has two more PC 00:40:46.099 --> 00:40:46.180 like 00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:51.299 full-fledged PCIe ports running at max speed. 00:40:51.299 --> 00:40:53.619 Running at max speed. 00:40:53.619 --> 00:40:54.819 That's the key. 00:40:54.819 --> 00:40:55.460 So now 00:40:55.779 --> 00:40:56.420 you can 00:40:56.740 --> 00:40:57.059 go 00:40:57.860 --> 00:40:58.180 And 00:40:58.340 --> 00:41:00.820 you can buy, and I thought I had it open here. 00:41:00.820 --> 00:41:02.980 Let me just grab it real quick. 00:41:02.980 --> 00:41:04.500 I guess maybe I didn't. 00:41:04.500 --> 00:41:05.780 Oh, what did I do with that? 00:41:05.780 --> 00:41:07.380 Hang on a second. 00:41:07.839 --> 00:41:10.880 You can then go buy two AMD 00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.240 32GB cards and drop it in here. 00:41:14.240 --> 00:41:17.440 And boom, all of a sudden, you have 00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:19.359 basically 96 00:41:19.520 --> 00:41:22.160 total gigs of VRAM. 00:41:22.680 --> 00:41:23.000 And 00:41:23.160 --> 00:41:27.480 not only that, but you can use the AMD cards for LLM stuff. 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:29.720 And when it comes to image generation, I'm sorry 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:31.480 AMD, but like the NVIDIA 00:41:31.640 --> 00:41:33.960 libraries, the support for things like comfy 00:41:34.120 --> 00:41:36.760 UI and image generation. 00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:36.859 It's NVIDIA 00:41:37.020 --> 00:41:38.220 versus everybody else. 00:41:38.220 --> 00:41:39.339 It really, really 00:41:39.660 --> 00:41:40.380 is. 00:41:40.380 --> 00:41:40.700 So 00:41:41.819 --> 00:41:48.539 if you start pricing all that out, like if you go buy this, it's it's an eleven thousand dollar machine at Micro Center. 00:41:48.740 --> 00:41:52.100 You're then gonna throw in two more AMD video cards. 00:41:52.100 --> 00:41:54.580 That's gonna cost you another three. 00:41:54.580 --> 00:41:54.820 But 00:41:54.980 --> 00:41:55.220 it 00:41:55.380 --> 00:41:55.700 but 00:41:56.020 --> 00:42:03.380 you get that home, you uninstall Windows immediately, you throw Ubuntu or Fedora on it. 00:42:02.520 --> 00:42:03.400 a desktop version 00:42:03.560 --> 00:42:05.560 so you can actually use it. 00:42:05.560 --> 00:42:05.880 Get 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:06.359 you know 00:42:06.520 --> 00:42:08.200 muddle through your first NVIDIA 00:42:08.359 --> 00:42:09.400 driver install. 00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:09.720 That's 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:11.480 that's an adventure. 00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:12.820 All right, getting official NVIDIA 00:42:12.980 --> 00:42:14.740 drivers working on Linux is an adventure. 00:42:14.740 --> 00:42:16.020 There's a lot of good guides out there. 00:42:16.020 --> 00:42:17.060 It's better than it was. 00:42:17.060 --> 00:42:18.660 It still can be a chore depending on which 00:42:18.900 --> 00:42:20.500 which distribution you take. 00:42:20.640 --> 00:42:24.480 You can be up and running with an extremely capable system. 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:28.000 Extremely capable system for your use case. 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:28.480 I th 00:42:28.640 --> 00:42:33.119 I think, and and the other thing I would tell you before you make a decision is go watch YouTube videos. 00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:34.480 I'm sure you already have 00:42:34.359 --> 00:42:35.480 But go watch YouTube 00:42:35.800 --> 00:42:39.160 videos on like an M4, because the M5 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:40.760 's not out yet, but like on an M4 00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.839 Apple Silicon, like token generation speeds for some of these common models. 00:42:44.940 --> 00:42:46.380 and see what they are. 00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:48.780 Because that is absolutely going to factor into this 00:42:49.020 --> 00:42:49.339 because 00:42:50.380 --> 00:42:53.099 yes, you are going to be able to generate 00:42:53.420 --> 00:42:54.380 code. 00:42:54.960 --> 00:43:00.880 But how fast can it generate it before you now have to go and, you know, have it do more, have it do more? 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:02.640 That starts to add up after a while. 00:43:02.820 --> 00:43:04.260 So I'm gonna shut up, Paul. 00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:05.780 What's your advice? 00:43:05.780 --> 00:43:06.820 Okay. 00:43:06.820 --> 00:43:07.460 I think 00:43:07.620 --> 00:43:16.580 unless you are a massive enthusiast and want this to be your hobby, it is too early to run local LLM models. 00:43:16.260 --> 00:43:17.940 It's just too early. 00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:19.860 Give it a few years. 00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:21.940 I think you're much better off. 00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:22.660 Macs 00:43:22.820 --> 00:43:23.780 are great. 00:43:23.780 --> 00:43:25.380 Get the M5 00:43:25.540 --> 00:43:25.940 Max 00:43:26.100 --> 00:43:28.500 with 64 gigs of RAM. 00:43:28.359 --> 00:43:30.040 And a two-terabyte hard drive. 00:43:30.040 --> 00:43:32.520 That computer is a little over $4,000. 00:43:32.520 --> 00:43:33.640 And then buy a hundred 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.599 dollar a month subscription to your uh 00:43:36.839 --> 00:43:38.200 AI provider of choice. 00:43:38.200 --> 00:43:38.599 I think you 00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:40.760 have a much better experience. 00:43:40.720 --> 00:43:43.039 With everything around that and that 00:43:43.279 --> 00:43:45.920 the computer's gonna be a beast, it's gonna last you forever. 00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.920 And you can take the you know 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:49.160 $7,000 00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:49.960 you saved 00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:53.240 and just pay anthropic or open AI every month. 00:43:53.240 --> 00:43:53.720 I think you'll 00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:54.280 be much 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:56.920 I think you'll be much, much happier today. 00:43:56.920 --> 00:44:00.119 Now in a year, in a two-year, as these models get better 00:44:00.100 --> 00:44:01.780 But like right now the trend is not 00:44:01.940 --> 00:44:03.460 can I make a smaller model? 00:44:03.460 --> 00:44:03.780 It's 00:44:03.940 --> 00:44:06.180 can I make a bigger model that does more? 00:44:06.180 --> 00:44:06.820 So right now 00:44:06.980 --> 00:44:09.220 numbers are just going up. 00:44:08.900 --> 00:44:09.299 So the 00:44:09.460 --> 00:44:09.539 the 00:44:09.700 --> 00:44:10.180 the capa 00:44:10.420 --> 00:44:10.980 the you know 00:44:11.140 --> 00:44:15.059 the the you know the frontier models are just getting bigger and bigger. 00:44:15.059 --> 00:44:16.579 I just think it's too early. 00:44:16.579 --> 00:44:17.700 Unless you're really big 00:44:18.020 --> 00:44:20.900 unless you want unless you want this to be your personality. 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:21.080 Right? 00:44:21.080 --> 00:44:21.960 If you want this to be 00:44:22.200 --> 00:44:24.360 your hobby, you want to be an enthusiast. 00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:26.680 And if you did that, I'd go Drew's route. 00:44:26.680 --> 00:44:27.720 I'd go NVIDIA 00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:29.800 and and Linux and and not 00:44:30.040 --> 00:44:30.280 but 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:31.000 then 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:31.400 you 00:44:31.560 --> 00:44:32.760 you don't have a Mac. 00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:32.920 But 00:44:33.080 --> 00:44:33.160 uh 00:44:33.560 --> 00:44:36.600 my recommendation, spend four thousand dollars on a Mac 00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:41.720 Studio, use a Frontier, pay someone debt for access to a Frontier model while sh 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:45.560 while tokens are still ridiculously cheap. 00:44:45.240 --> 00:44:46.120 I mean that 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:48.680 that is probably the more practical advice. 00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.880 There is a huge cash outlay here to do this locally. 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:54.600 And to your point, the models are getting better every day. 00:44:54.620 --> 00:44:56.620 I get acceptable performance with Qued 3 00:44:56.780 --> 00:44:57.500 Coder Dex. 00:44:57.500 --> 00:44:57.980 I really do. 00:44:57.980 --> 00:45:03.020 I have I have done several side projects and consulting things with this model. 00:45:03.020 --> 00:45:04.700 It is perfectly cromulant. 00:45:05.260 --> 00:45:08.140 It is good enough for my use case. 00:45:09.060 --> 00:45:10.580 That said, the 00:45:10.740 --> 00:45:13.460 the outlay for doing this is high. 00:45:13.460 --> 00:45:13.780 And 00:45:15.060 --> 00:45:15.380 like 00:45:15.620 --> 00:45:17.140 reloading ammunition 00:45:17.260 --> 00:45:22.140 The amount of time you need to spend with this to make up what you would have just spent on tokens from Claude 00:45:22.380 --> 00:45:26.220 or Codex, that's a pretty long tale. 00:45:27.220 --> 00:45:29.380 If you're excited about this stuff and you want to do it 00:45:29.540 --> 00:45:30.580 and you have the means 00:45:30.820 --> 00:45:34.900 and you want to do it, I I think you're better off not going the M5 00:45:35.060 --> 00:45:35.300 route. 00:45:35.300 --> 00:45:37.860 But I think Paul's advice is way more practical. 00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:39.619 If you want to save $6 00:45:39.780 --> 00:45:40.260 ,000 00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:43.220 and use a frontier model to do some actual work. 00:45:43.220 --> 00:45:43.780 Yeah. 00:45:43.780 --> 00:45:46.099 I would I would love a postmortem on this. 00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:46.339 Yeah, I 00:45:46.740 --> 00:45:46.820 'm 00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:47.140 saying 00:45:47.859 --> 00:45:49.460 let us know what you decide. 00:45:49.640 --> 00:45:50.760 Yeah, and Andrew 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.760 and Andrew, I would love to hear what you decide and if you have any questions. 00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:55.000 And I 00:45:55.160 --> 00:45:58.039 and if I remember correctly, you are not far from us. 00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.480 I feel like you're in the greater Ohio area. 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:04.359 I I know I've met you. 00:46:04.940 --> 00:46:05.420 If you 00:46:05.580 --> 00:46:09.660 if you really want to see it in action, I will blindfold you and bring you 00:46:09.820 --> 00:46:10.220 to my home. 00:46:10.220 --> 00:46:11.420 And I will unblindfold you. 00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:13.340 I will not leave you blindfolded. 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:18.560 You can you can come see for yourself kind of how I have this set up and and you can see for yourself if it's worth it. 00:46:18.560 --> 00:46:19.680 This is a huge investment. 00:46:19.680 --> 00:46:22.320 I I want you to make sound financial advice. 00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:23.160 I I'm not. 00:46:23.160 --> 00:46:23.800 I make I'm 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:25.800 I'm a big dummy, right? 00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:27.800 I spend money on stuff that I shouldn't spend money on. 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:29.160 So do not listen to me completely. 00:46:29.160 --> 00:46:30.680 I think Paul's advice is way more simple. 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:33.400 I tell the same the same people the same thing about espresso 00:46:33.560 --> 00:46:34.360 machines 00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:37.940 If you don't if espresso is not going to be a hobby, don't buy one. 00:46:37.940 --> 00:46:38.980 They are not easy. 00:46:38.980 --> 00:46:40.580 They're not they're they're just they're not for 00:46:40.740 --> 00:46:41.620 they're not for people. 00:46:41.620 --> 00:46:42.740 They're for weirdos. 00:46:42.740 --> 00:46:43.620 And I think right now 00:46:43.940 --> 00:46:44.980 local AI is still 00:46:45.140 --> 00:46:46.260 for weirdos. 00:46:46.180 --> 00:46:47.140 So yeah. 00:46:47.140 --> 00:46:47.540 I do 00:46:47.700 --> 00:46:49.540 I do make some weird ass pictures. 00:46:49.540 --> 00:46:55.619 I make some weird pictures that that go on my NAS in the encrypted folder and to never be seen by anybody ever. 00:46:55.619 --> 00:46:55.940 So 00:46:56.099 --> 00:46:58.339 and that's all I'm gonna say about that. 00:46:58.339 --> 00:46:59.300 Alright 00:46:59.420 --> 00:47:01.180 We have time for one more topic, you think? 00:47:01.180 --> 00:47:01.420 Okay. 00:47:02.060 --> 00:47:03.340 Which one is we gonna go? 00:47:03.340 --> 00:47:05.260 I'm gonna go I'm gonna go with the last topic. 00:47:05.260 --> 00:47:06.700 Okay, okay. 00:47:06.700 --> 00:47:07.500 Paul, 00:47:08.220 --> 00:47:10.620 what's one thing you know about me? 00:47:10.520 --> 00:47:11.400 That's right. 00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:13.800 I don't have very good luck. 00:47:13.800 --> 00:47:14.920 Okay, okay. 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:16.119 Wasn't sure where that was going. 00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:17.320 I mean I did know, but I 00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:18.200 I didn't know. 00:47:18.200 --> 00:47:18.760 Okay. 00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:19.720 Okay. 00:47:19.720 --> 00:47:20.040 So 00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:21.240 this week 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:23.480 There was a new 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.079 way to buy something from Valve. 00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.240 Oh, did you did you did you pre 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:30.359 order one? 00:47:30.540 --> 00:47:30.860 Okay. 00:47:30.860 --> 00:47:31.660 So the Steam frame. 00:47:31.820 --> 00:47:33.180 Did you get what I think you got? 00:47:33.180 --> 00:47:34.140 The Steam Frame. 00:47:34.140 --> 00:47:34.620 Okay. 00:47:34.620 --> 00:47:38.620 The Steam Frame is officially up for signups. 00:47:38.620 --> 00:47:38.940 Okay. 00:47:38.940 --> 00:47:39.500 Yes. 00:47:39.820 --> 00:47:42.620 For those of you that don't know, Valve 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:43.480 is 00:47:43.640 --> 00:47:45.160 now a hardware manufacturer. 00:47:45.160 --> 00:47:50.360 And we've talked about things like uh the Steam Deck, which we're huge fans of. 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:52.520 We've talked about the the Steam uh 00:47:52.680 --> 00:47:52.840 Q 00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:54.920 machine. 00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.960 There's been Steam controllers. 00:47:57.820 --> 00:48:02.380 The next thing that was supposed to come out is their next generation of VR headset. 00:48:02.380 --> 00:48:04.700 This is the second go of VR for Valve. 00:48:04.700 --> 00:48:07.020 They had the Valve index before this. 00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.440 So the Steam Frame was announced a while ago. 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:11.960 It's kind of been 00:48:12.120 --> 00:48:12.680 out. 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:14.840 The first reviewers just got their hands on it. 00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:17.640 Yes, the first reviewers just got their hands on it. 00:48:17.799 --> 00:48:18.119 And 00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:22.440 because of scalping, here's what Valve decided to do. 00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.279 So I just put a link in the show notes to 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:26.200 the same thing for the Steam Machine. 00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:26.839 Yeah. 00:48:26.839 --> 00:48:27.160 Yeah. 00:48:27.160 --> 00:48:31.319 For the for the for the for the Steam Deck, what you had to do is you went on here 00:48:31.460 --> 00:48:34.020 And starting Tuesday until 00:48:34.580 --> 00:48:35.620 basically 10 a. 00:48:35.620 --> 00:48:35.780 m. 00:48:35.940 --> 00:48:36.500 Pacific time 00:48:36.740 --> 00:48:39.860 today on this recording day, which is the 17th. 00:48:40.160 --> 00:48:40.800 You could 00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:45.600 basically sign into Steam and you could say, I either want the 256 00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:53.120 gigabyte version, which is $1,059, or the one terabyte kit, which is $1,299. 00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:54.720 You say 00:48:55.040 --> 00:48:56.480 sign up to join. 00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:59.440 And the way that it worked was your name went into 00:48:59.680 --> 00:49:02.560 what I imagine is an Excel sheet somewhere. 00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:07.119 And what they did is they said, okay, you're in the list. 00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.960 And on the 17th, we're gonna randomize the list. 00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:16.640 And if you get selected to be able to purchase, you are in the reservation queue. 00:49:16.640 --> 00:49:16.960 If you're not going to be able to do that, you can't do it. 00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:31.200 Slots will open up and then the next person in the queue will 00:49:31.520 --> 00:49:33.200 get theirs. 00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:33.440 So 00:49:33.600 --> 00:49:35.600 I've been looking at this for a while 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:38.240 and I want one, mostly just 00:49:38.560 --> 00:49:38.880 because 00:49:39.980 --> 00:49:41.660 This could be a wireless 00:49:42.220 --> 00:49:43.500 outside of a power chord. 00:49:43.500 --> 00:49:44.540 I want to be clear. 00:49:44.540 --> 00:49:49.260 Outside of a power cord, this could be a wireless way for me to do my VR. 00:49:49.260 --> 00:49:53.100 And for those of you that listen regularly, you know that I I do play 00:49:53.160 --> 00:49:55.000 flight simulators in VR 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:57.320 and I invested in a PIMAX 00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:58.920 earlier this year and that Pi Max 00:49:59.080 --> 00:50:02.200 is phenomenal, I think, in terms of quality and image quality. 00:50:02.200 --> 00:50:04.600 I don't think this is going to be as good at it, which is I'm a 00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:06.440 I'm a little worried about 00:50:07.180 --> 00:50:07.579 But like 00:50:07.740 --> 00:50:07.900 per 00:50:08.060 --> 00:50:11.660 eye resolution isn't anywhere near I think like the Pi Max is like 8k or something. 00:50:11.660 --> 00:50:12.940 It's crazy. 00:50:12.940 --> 00:50:13.260 This 00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:14.140 if this is 00:50:14.300 --> 00:50:16.619 if this is as good or better than the 00:50:16.859 --> 00:50:17.660 the latest meta 00:50:18.140 --> 00:50:18.619 quest 00:50:18.660 --> 00:50:20.180 Maybe not as good as the Pi Max. 00:50:20.180 --> 00:50:20.820 I think I'll be okay. 00:50:20.820 --> 00:50:21.700 I think I'll be okay. 00:50:21.700 --> 00:50:23.060 So the reviewers I've 00:50:23.220 --> 00:50:23.540 heard 00:50:23.700 --> 00:50:24.020 is 00:50:24.180 --> 00:50:26.100 it is better than the stuff Meta 00:50:26.340 --> 00:50:26.980 has. 00:50:27.200 --> 00:50:27.520 Uh 00:50:27.680 --> 00:50:28.160 yeah, well 00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:29.600 granted it's not super high 00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:30.560 end. 00:50:30.560 --> 00:50:31.040 I guess 00:50:31.200 --> 00:50:34.400 today the software is still a little kind of iffy, but it's 00:50:34.560 --> 00:50:35.360 valve. 00:50:35.240 --> 00:50:36.200 This is what they do. 00:50:36.200 --> 00:50:38.040 They get the hardware exactly right 00:50:38.200 --> 00:50:39.960 the first try and then software 00:50:40.120 --> 00:50:42.200 they iterate it and eventually they get it right. 00:50:42.200 --> 00:50:43.720 So they have a proven track record. 00:50:43.720 --> 00:50:44.920 Look at the Steam Deck. 00:50:45.140 --> 00:50:45.299 A lot 00:50:45.539 --> 00:50:50.260 when the Steam Deck first came out, a lot of people were like, it's gonna be great, but it ain't great now. 00:50:50.260 --> 00:50:52.020 I think the frame's gonna be the same thing. 00:50:52.020 --> 00:50:53.220 But the end of the day 00:50:54.539 --> 00:50:56.140 I think this is gonna be really good for 00:50:56.299 --> 00:50:56.619 this. 00:50:56.619 --> 00:50:59.660 I think this is gonna be the most significant thing for VR 00:50:59.900 --> 00:51:03.020 because it's Valve and they support their stuff. 00:51:03.020 --> 00:51:05.180 They support it for a long time. 00:51:05.240 --> 00:51:11.320 They always have a good developer story, and I think this is gonna make developers feel safer 00:51:12.200 --> 00:51:14.920 in making a decision to invest in VR games. 00:51:15.120 --> 00:51:15.920 I really do. 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:18.160 I think this is gonna be good for VR. 00:51:18.160 --> 00:51:21.360 I think this is gonna be good for VR in general, not just games. 00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:22.880 Like, I think this is 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:24.320 This is they're gonna do what Meta 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:25.280 wished they could do. 00:51:25.280 --> 00:51:25.760 In fact, meta 00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:28.400 's laying off people in their like quest stuff, right? 00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:28.800 They're kinda 00:51:29.120 --> 00:51:30.240 And they're and they're just gross. 00:51:30.240 --> 00:51:31.760 From a privacy perspective, they're just gross. 00:51:31.760 --> 00:51:32.960 Yeah, meta, it's meta. 00:51:32.960 --> 00:51:34.480 But yeah, I I think 00:51:34.640 --> 00:51:35.280 I think this is a 00:51:35.520 --> 00:51:35.840 guess 00:51:36.080 --> 00:51:36.320 so 00:51:37.380 --> 00:51:38.180 Yeah, I 00:51:38.420 --> 00:51:38.660 so 00:51:38.819 --> 00:51:38.980 are 00:51:39.460 --> 00:51:39.619 do 00:51:40.099 --> 00:51:40.420 says 00:51:40.579 --> 00:51:41.539 so that says you're lucky. 00:51:41.539 --> 00:51:42.579 Did you get an email? 00:51:42.579 --> 00:51:44.020 Are you in the top or are you gonna get a 00:51:44.420 --> 00:51:46.099 So I am in the reservation 00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:46.500 you. 00:51:46.500 --> 00:51:49.060 I have not gotten my email to purchase yet. 00:51:49.060 --> 00:51:49.620 Okay. 00:51:49.620 --> 00:51:51.380 So I just got that email today. 00:51:51.380 --> 00:51:52.420 I did luck out. 00:51:52.420 --> 00:51:52.580 So 00:51:52.820 --> 00:51:53.060 excellent 00:51:53.220 --> 00:51:53.460 one of the 00:51:53.780 --> 00:51:54.420 I think I think is 00:51:54.660 --> 00:51:56.660 I think you're gonna be very happy with it. 00:51:56.180 --> 00:51:56.420 I think 00:51:56.980 --> 00:51:57.620 it's going to be great. 00:51:57.620 --> 00:51:57.940 Yeah. 00:51:57.940 --> 00:51:58.980 I think I am. 00:51:59.380 --> 00:51:59.620 Uh 00:51:59.780 --> 00:52:00.100 now 00:52:00.580 --> 00:52:00.660 w 00:52:00.820 --> 00:52:06.820 again, the only reason I'm entertaining this is the fact that if I'm reading everything correctly 00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.480 What I'll be able to do is 00:52:09.640 --> 00:52:10.760 decouple 00:52:11.720 --> 00:52:13.000 my current 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.520 setup here from like my VR experience. 00:52:16.839 --> 00:52:22.200 And by that I mean, and you can kind of see this if you're watching this on YouTube, like I'm in my office right now. 00:52:22.200 --> 00:52:24.440 It's a decent size office, like you can't see everything. 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:30.119 There's another computer over here that I use for work, and then this is like when I go out to like the rest of my basement. 00:52:30.720 --> 00:52:30.800 But 00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:32.080 one of the things that 00:52:32.240 --> 00:52:34.400 and we've talked about this in a previous podcast, go listen to it. 00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:35.680 I don't give a fuck. 00:52:35.680 --> 00:52:35.920 It 00:52:36.080 --> 00:52:38.080 I I really wanna get like 00:52:38.240 --> 00:52:40.240 a nice comfortable flight sim 00:52:40.560 --> 00:52:41.280 cockpit. 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:42.720 Like I wanna have a nice chair. 00:52:42.720 --> 00:52:44.960 I wanna have a place to mount my joysticks. 00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:46.460 So like the idea would be 00:52:46.700 --> 00:52:52.700 I could put that in my office, but that would be something I'd have to explain to everybody I ever go on video at work with 00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:53.720 I'm all 00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:55.400 I'm already the weird guy at work. 00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:56.360 I don't need another person. 00:52:56.520 --> 00:52:59.480 I mean, I constantly have to explain. 00:52:59.480 --> 00:53:00.280 I don't I don't 00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:01.480 I don't need that. 00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:03.560 I don't I don't I don't need that in my life 00:53:04.240 --> 00:53:04.560 But 00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:05.440 my PC 00:53:05.680 --> 00:53:05.760 like 00:53:05.920 --> 00:53:08.080 my PC is over here to my right, which is near the door. 00:53:08.080 --> 00:53:10.160 So if the idea is if I could like set up a 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:11.600 chair out there 00:53:12.660 --> 00:53:13.300 And have 00:53:13.460 --> 00:53:19.300 like I I don't know what the distance is on a USB cable, but if I could have one USB cable connected to a hub 00:53:19.540 --> 00:53:23.700 that connected all my peripherals and I just ran that out of the office and then the steam frame 00:53:23.980 --> 00:53:24.220 I have 00:53:25.020 --> 00:53:25.420 streaming. 00:53:25.660 --> 00:53:29.099 Yeah, it comes with a six gigahertz wireless adapter. 00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:29.660 And I've heard 00:53:29.819 --> 00:53:29.980 like 00:53:30.380 --> 00:53:31.260 dual adapter. 00:53:31.260 --> 00:53:32.140 Yeah, that's right. 00:53:32.140 --> 00:53:32.539 If you're 00:53:32.700 --> 00:53:35.180 like there's no walls in your line of sight 00:53:35.340 --> 00:53:36.060 It's flawless. 00:53:36.300 --> 00:53:37.580 It's like being wireless, right? 00:53:37.980 --> 00:53:38.460 That's the idea. 00:53:40.140 --> 00:53:43.660 So that would then force me to turn around and invest in an actual sim 00:53:44.060 --> 00:53:44.220 rig 00:53:44.380 --> 00:53:45.340 out there. 00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:50.760 Where the again, the only wire I would need to send to my computer would be for but the peripherals, right? 00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.320 So like for the joysticks, the keyboard, whatever. 00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:58.440 That would be the only wire that I could like basically disconnect whenever I wasn't using it 00:53:58.460 --> 00:54:01.580 And that would be the only thing I would have to like drag into the other room. 00:54:01.580 --> 00:54:02.860 Could I do that with my Pi 00:54:03.020 --> 00:54:03.580 Max? 00:54:03.580 --> 00:54:05.180 No, the cord isn't long enough. 00:54:05.180 --> 00:54:05.420 Because it's 00:54:05.580 --> 00:54:06.300 USB-C. 00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:07.900 It's got a pretty long cord. 00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:08.400 But that's not 00:54:08.640 --> 00:54:09.040 actually it's 00:54:09.200 --> 00:54:09.840 it's two things. 00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:10.640 The Pimax 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:12.160 actually has a USB 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:12.560 C 00:54:13.120 --> 00:54:13.520 th uh 00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:14.240 you know 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:19.120 four or five or whatever or Thunderbolt I don't know and then it actually has an HDMI connector 00:54:19.140 --> 00:54:22.500 So like it's connected directly to your graphics car almost like a different monitor. 00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:23.460 But the Steam frame 00:54:23.619 --> 00:54:26.980 has like these wireless dual radio adapters, so it's like redundant. 00:54:26.980 --> 00:54:29.220 There's basically a dedicated channel for 00:54:29.820 --> 00:54:30.060 um 00:54:30.300 --> 00:54:33.660 streaming the audio and visuals and the other one like does something else. 00:54:33.660 --> 00:54:38.540 I don't know, but it's it's like to your point, it's supposed to be that that wireless experience. 00:54:38.540 --> 00:54:41.900 And if that works as advertised, I think it'll be worth the money. 00:54:41.900 --> 00:54:44.460 Completely worth the money for me. 00:54:44.520 --> 00:54:45.160 Yeah. 00:54:45.160 --> 00:54:45.640 Yeah. 00:54:45.640 --> 00:54:46.280 No. 00:54:46.600 --> 00:54:51.400 Now it does not come with a power cable, and that'll be something that I will plug in. 00:54:51.500 --> 00:54:51.740 Yeah. 00:54:52.140 --> 00:54:52.540 Just power 00:54:52.700 --> 00:54:57.340 the battery life isn't great, but you know, it's it's there's a lot of processing that happens with VR. 00:54:57.340 --> 00:54:57.980 Like I get it. 00:54:57.980 --> 00:54:58.540 It's hard. 00:54:58.540 --> 00:54:58.860 Yeah. 00:54:59.580 --> 00:55:00.060 Yeah. 00:55:00.140 --> 00:55:00.380 And 00:55:00.700 --> 00:55:05.099 and you know, when I'm playing my flight sims, I'm in there for an hour, hour and a half at a time. 00:55:05.099 --> 00:55:07.099 You know, I don't want the juice to run out. 00:55:07.099 --> 00:55:07.339 Um 00:55:07.579 --> 00:55:08.779 I think the only question is 00:55:08.940 --> 00:55:11.579 do I buy the ergonomic accessories kit? 00:55:11.579 --> 00:55:11.740 Um 00:55:11.900 --> 00:55:14.859 there's also a really cool accessory. 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:14.480 uh 00:55:14.640 --> 00:55:15.440 that I saw 00:55:15.600 --> 00:55:16.960 that you can also order. 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:19.840 So there's this thing called Arcturus Vision. 00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:20.960 Did you hear about this? 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:22.480 I don't think so. 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:22.800 So 00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:27.280 Uh VR headsets now do this thing where they do where they do pass-through. 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:28.320 So like if you double 00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:31.119 tap it, the cameras on the front 00:55:31.359 --> 00:55:37.040 basically let you see what's around you, but usually it's in black and white and it's a lower frame rate. 00:55:38.460 --> 00:55:38.780 This 00:55:38.940 --> 00:55:43.660 this is something that kind of like attaches to the front of the headset and give you full color pass-through. 00:55:43.660 --> 00:55:43.820 Give 00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:45.340 full color pass-through. 00:55:45.340 --> 00:55:46.940 Yeah, look at that. 00:55:46.940 --> 00:55:47.660 That's nice. 00:55:47.660 --> 00:55:49.579 How much is that separately? 00:55:49.579 --> 00:55:49.900 Uh 00:55:50.060 --> 00:55:50.859 so you can order 00:55:51.020 --> 00:55:52.460 now it's $150 more dollars. 00:55:52.619 --> 00:55:53.820 That's not bad. 00:55:53.820 --> 00:55:55.180 That's not bad at all. 00:55:55.180 --> 00:55:56.940 No, it's not. 00:55:56.920 --> 00:55:57.080 So 00:55:57.240 --> 00:56:02.040 if I get my email tomorrow and I end up buying this, I probably will buy this as well. 00:56:02.040 --> 00:56:03.080 So yeah, I that 00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:03.720 that kind 00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:05.240 that kind of stuff never happens to me. 00:56:05.240 --> 00:56:06.360 I never win contests. 00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:08.360 I never get in early on pre-orders. 00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:09.560 I'm happy for you. 00:56:09.560 --> 00:56:11.560 Yeah, so we'll see how it goes. 00:56:12.160 --> 00:56:12.880 And hey, just 00:56:13.200 --> 00:56:18.000 as we're talking about video games, I'll say real quick, we are one week away from Control 00:56:18.160 --> 00:56:18.640 Resident 00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:19.440 coming out. 00:56:19.520 --> 00:56:20.160 Cannot wait. 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:21.040 I'm 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:22.720 fucking excited for that game. 00:56:22.720 --> 00:56:24.400 Here's the thing that pisses me off though. 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:25.520 I gotta go out of town 00:56:25.680 --> 00:56:27.040 like the day after it launches. 00:56:27.040 --> 00:56:27.599 Yeah, yeah. 00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.720 I wouldn't I I'm unable to take time off on launch day and after. 00:56:30.720 --> 00:56:31.839 So I've got I took like 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:34.160 the first couple days of October off. 00:56:33.780 --> 00:56:34.579 So at the day after 00:56:34.740 --> 00:56:38.020 I'm gonna go see I'm just gonna spend that day, those two days playing uh 00:56:38.180 --> 00:56:42.900 first of all I'll be sleepy 'cause the night before is the Smashing Pumpkins concert, but just play that game so much. 00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:43.540 Yeah. 00:56:43.200 --> 00:56:43.680 But I'm 00:56:43.839 --> 00:56:45.440 I'm so excited for this game. 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:47.359 They just they just dropped the launch trailer. 00:56:47.359 --> 00:56:47.839 I saw it. 00:56:47.839 --> 00:56:47.920 And 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:48.240 like 00:56:48.400 --> 00:56:49.280 it's just oh 00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:49.760 fuck. 00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:51.200 I cannot fucking 00:56:51.359 --> 00:56:52.480 I'm so hyped. 00:56:52.540 --> 00:56:53.020 I hope 00:56:53.340 --> 00:56:54.860 I hope this game doesn't duel 00:56:55.020 --> 00:56:56.460 Wolverine. 00:56:57.340 --> 00:56:58.700 You know, I don't 00:56:58.940 --> 00:56:59.020 d 00:56:59.180 --> 00:57:00.460 did you play it 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.040 Did you play Wolverine? 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:05.520 I have I'm not playing the only thing I'm playing is I'm playing the new season of Diablo 4. 00:57:05.520 --> 00:57:06.960 I'm saving myself from Troll Resident. 00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:07.440 No new. 00:57:07.600 --> 00:57:07.920 I wanna 00:57:08.080 --> 00:57:10.080 before before we sign off, two things. 00:57:09.859 --> 00:57:12.420 One, I've seen a lot of people roasting the Wolverine game. 00:57:12.420 --> 00:57:13.060 Is it that bad? 00:57:13.060 --> 00:57:13.460 I really don't 00:57:13.619 --> 00:57:14.820 I'm out I'm out on I'm out on 00:57:14.980 --> 00:57:15.220 the P 00:57:15.460 --> 00:57:16.099 PlayStation. 00:57:16.260 --> 00:57:16.660 I mean, uh 00:57:16.820 --> 00:57:18.900 generally speaking, it's getting like 00:57:19.060 --> 00:57:20.820 six out of tens. 00:57:20.820 --> 00:57:22.260 It's okay. 00:57:22.940 --> 00:57:23.180 And 00:57:23.420 --> 00:57:24.380 are you mad 00:57:24.700 --> 00:57:27.020 about the Diablo 5 announcement and like 00:57:27.180 --> 00:57:30.220 the seasonal stuff and all the stuff that's going on with Diablo 4? 00:57:30.220 --> 00:57:31.020 No, not at all. 00:57:31.020 --> 00:57:31.260 Okay. 00:57:32.220 --> 00:57:33.340 You're not an ending gamer. 00:57:33.340 --> 00:57:33.740 Okay. 00:57:33.740 --> 00:57:33.980 No, 00:57:34.220 --> 00:57:34.780 I mean 00:57:36.160 --> 00:57:37.520 I like Diablo 00:57:37.680 --> 00:57:38.160 4. 00:57:38.160 --> 00:57:38.240 I 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:38.880 I do. 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:41.760 I've put hundreds and hundreds of hours into that game. 00:57:41.760 --> 00:57:42.320 In fact, I 00:57:42.640 --> 00:57:42.800 we 00:57:43.040 --> 00:57:43.680 hang up here. 00:57:43.680 --> 00:57:47.120 I'm probably gonna put at least 30 minutes, another hour into the season as as well. 00:57:48.080 --> 00:57:49.360 I'm broken like that 00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:50.480 I think there are some fun 00:57:51.040 --> 00:57:53.760 I think they made some fundamental issues like decisions with 00:57:53.920 --> 00:57:54.400 Diablo 00:57:54.560 --> 00:57:54.800 4. 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:58.720 The fact that it's online all the time, forced multiplayer, live service-y 00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:00.240 kind of game. 00:58:00.240 --> 00:58:00.880 I think 00:58:02.060 --> 00:58:02.300 That 00:58:02.460 --> 00:58:04.860 that kind of stuff is just it's more difficult. 00:58:04.860 --> 00:58:09.020 I don't think they've got a good hand on scaling and and like 00:58:09.260 --> 00:58:10.300 balance. 00:58:10.300 --> 00:58:12.860 So I could see them going, well, we try it with the Yablo 00:58:13.020 --> 00:58:13.660 4. 00:58:14.839 --> 00:58:15.720 Diablo 5. 00:58:15.720 --> 00:58:16.359 Now the problem is 00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:19.800 when they announced Diablo 4, it's like this is a this is gonna be like Destiny 2. 00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:21.320 This is a 10-year video game. 00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:22.760 We're gonna support it forever. 00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:24.520 We're gonna have expansions every year. 00:58:24.680 --> 00:58:25.640 Now it's like, well 00:58:25.700 --> 00:58:26.420 Uh we're actually 00:58:26.820 --> 00:58:27.380 we're actually done. 00:58:27.380 --> 00:58:29.859 That was the last expansion, the one that you got. 00:58:29.859 --> 00:58:30.500 Uh 00:58:31.540 --> 00:58:31.859 and 00:58:32.180 --> 00:58:32.500 uh 00:58:32.820 --> 00:58:33.619 now I will say 00:58:33.940 --> 00:58:36.660 okay, season 15, this current season 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:37.680 Is 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:39.280 very interesting. 00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:39.680 Okay. 00:58:39.680 --> 00:58:41.040 Okay, look at this real quick. 00:58:41.040 --> 00:58:43.760 It is basically nostalgia, the Diablo 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:44.560 season. 00:58:44.560 --> 00:58:44.960 You get 00:58:45.200 --> 00:58:46.080 Deckard Kane 00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:46.800 is back 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:48.160 somehow. 00:58:48.140 --> 00:58:48.460 And 00:58:48.700 --> 00:58:50.619 you basically get to like 00:58:50.859 --> 00:58:51.819 refight 00:58:52.140 --> 00:58:55.020 bosses from like Diablo 2 and Diablo 3. 00:58:55.020 --> 00:58:59.900 And it is, it's not exactly the same, but it just pulls enough nostalgia in and like 00:59:00.520 --> 00:59:01.800 audio clips 00:59:01.960 --> 00:59:02.200 and 00:59:02.359 --> 00:59:03.000 and like 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:09.320 logs that you can find that are from the old games and it just hits that nostalgia thing so hard and it's it's good. 00:59:09.320 --> 00:59:09.640 So 00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:10.020 Yeah, 00:59:10.180 --> 00:59:14.900 I w I might not play it very long, but I'm definitely gonna play a little bit more of the seasonal storyline to to to 00:59:15.060 --> 00:59:16.740 to see if there's anything more there. 00:59:16.740 --> 00:59:16.900 But 00:59:17.060 --> 00:59:19.540 yeah, we should wrap this up, shouldn't we? 00:59:19.540 --> 00:59:20.099 Yeah, we should. 00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:20.579 Good get back 00:59:21.060 --> 00:59:22.420 to Diablo. 00:59:22.240 --> 00:59:22.960 Yep. 00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:23.280 Uh 00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:24.160 hey, doing 00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:24.400 their 00:59:24.560 --> 00:59:25.040 best. 00:59:25.040 --> 00:59:25.360 com. 00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:27.040 You can find all the show notes there. 00:59:27.040 --> 00:59:30.800 The search works, Andrew, so you can search for some of the links we talked about earlier. 00:59:31.040 --> 00:59:34.320 If you want to send us a question yourself, contact at doingtheirbest. 00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:34.560 com. 00:59:34.560 --> 00:59:35.760 Send me an email 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:36.000 And 00:59:36.240 --> 00:59:37.520 hey, thanks 00:59:37.680 --> 00:59:38.720 for listenin'